dedication is great but water baptism is not necessary
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Ahhh, there you have it then. Why 4 points. Why omit the 5th point?
1689Dave
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I left the church after hearing about limited atonement and thinking they were off the mark. Most Baptist churches are either Arminian or 4 point (universal atonement) Calvinists.
If you study this phenomena closely you will notice that these Calvinists are theologically deficient in many areas. In fact, I daresay most are not even convinced Calvinists. It is more appropriate to say that many of these people come out of marginally Reformed churches like the Presbyterian Church USA or the CRC. This is why theology matters. If you are grounded in God's word you are far less likely to embrace doctrinal error.
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A "trinitarian independent church based on Baptist 4 point Calvinism" huh?
This one?
1689Dave: My Escape from a Death Cult • The Baptist Board • June 11, 2018
"They had the typical adrenalin driven praise and worship most Pentecostal churches have....we heard about a few people dying of treatable reasons. But they blamed this on lack of faith. Or their faith must not have been genuine."
"God led us away from this danger in a most unusual way. One night they presented the Limited Atonement doctrine so they could teach against it. They were Amyraldian or 4 point Calvinists."
"I needed to make a choice. If Limited Atonement is true, then everything they said about faith and healing is false. And it would explain why some died of treatable conditions. After a group discussion on the way home, it was our last involvement with them."
"Over one hundred preventable deaths happened over a ten year period reaching into the late eighties, the main teacher being one of them. The culprit was the missing L in TULIP"
1689Dave
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Yes. But their theology was the same teaching at Baptist Theological Seminaries straight from the book. Bancroft and AH Strong. Their WoF teaching tried to apply the same universal atonement principles to divine healing which resulted in many unnecessary deaths.
Did you know "The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."?
The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:
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1689Dave
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"The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century." The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:
Not my Baptist Church... and they call it definite atonement.
1689Dave
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You are very blessed. My nearest Reformed Baptist church is 50 - 60 miles away.
Jesus gave it to us in first Century!
1) Actually a "Baby dedication" is dedicating the parents - they are making a public profession to raise the child in the Lord.
2) YES, a building CAN be a church.
Dave, You tell people you are on Baptist Board - you are totally WRONG - This Forum is NOT a piece of wood thus we have no business calling this Baptist BOARD. ---- OH Wait - "board" can have more than ONE meaning. Likewise "Church" has more than one meaning.
Of course - as Christians - we do believe that the "church" is the people - and just like "Board" a second meaning is the building!
Again - when we dedicate a building - it is an opportunity for the church (people) to publicly proclaim that building will be used to
the Glory of God.
So were these Biblical references a "tornado Magnet"?
Of Course, baptism is not necessary - FOR salvation - We are Baptized to proclaim our salvation.
1689Dave
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Isn't that like taking an oath? Shouldn't we be more like James and say "if God wills"? Some of the worst kids came from "Christian" homes.
1689Dave
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Through the Catholics?
So you think the Catholics are all wrong -
Then we had better stop have church service on Sunday - because RC worship on Sunday.
Well, Dave - no matter what is said - you have your beliefs - and will not consider anything else ]
So, I find it a waste of time to have any further discussions with you
1689Dave
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Acts taught us how to baptize, not the Catholics. Baptists should know this better than anyone else.
How do you think most conservative Baptist churches get this wrong?
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There is no such thing as 4 point Calvinism.
You may agree with only 4 points of TULIP as shared by the Council of Dort, but that doesn't make you a 4 point Calvinist. That just makes you a 4 point believer regarding soteriology.
Please answer the question directly. Being coy is of no value.
Are you saying that Matthew 28 was tampered with and Jesus never commissioned his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Do you have textual documentation for this tampering, which continues in all modern English translations of the Bible?
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