My thoughts on Calvinism.

[Jarthur001]

Hello Bob,

One thing that is certifiable is that many if not most Calvinists don't like owning up to CAlvinism when in discussion with non-Calvinists.

They love to "pretend" that "nobody knows what they believe" as a way to dodge all honest direct dialoge about the gaffs blunders and flaws of Calvinism.

Typically those who fall into that trap resort to gaming, gimmicks, ad hominem retorts "instead" of solid attention to detail and responding with "substance".

They usually try to defend that practice by blaming their own flawed antics on others.

And so these exchanges go down hill of that type of Calvinist is the only one "on the line" for a while.

Buyer beware.

In Christ,

Bob

Maybe we need to address these matters so that all will really know what you are talking about.

 

[BobRyan]

A good start would be to review the exchanges TP has been having and the detailed responses TP gives when specific points in Calvinism are challenged.

A short reading project of 3 or 4 small posts begins here
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=889749&postcount=55

It is left as an exercise for the reader - to see the glaring truth of the point I made in my previous post about the matter.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[tragic_pizza]

A good start would be to review the exchanges TP has been having and the detailed responses TP gives when specific points in Calvinism are challenged.

A short reading project of 3 or 4 small posts begins here
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=889749&postcount=55

It is left as an exercise for the reader - to see the glaring truth of the point I made in my previous post about the matter.

In Christ,

Bob

I see no reason to comment further. Your accusations are, at least from the Reformed understanding of theology, baseless straw men.

If one were to pretend that the verse in Revelation to which you cite were referencing salvation (which it is not), one would note (as I have repeatedly) that Christ knocks. We don't knock on Christ's door, as many Evangelicals would apparently insist.

God has done all of the work neccesary for our reconciliation, up to and including calling us to that reconciliation. We do indeed choose to respond; however, to think that the response must be the "Sinners Prayer" or walking the aisle or some such is not only ridiculous, it is not Scriptural.

Your attacks are not only spurious, they are drawn against such a maligned and misrepresented form of Calvinism that they are almost comedic -- would, in fact, be funny were you to have any sense of timing and rhythm.

Now, once again, I have said my piece, and I challenge you to address the things I have posted, not some fantasyland idea of Reformed theology your preacher taught you about.

 

[Brother Bob]

We do indeed choose to respond;

How? By opening the door to our heart and letting Christ come in when He knocks?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Hello Bob,

Maybe we need to address these matters so that all will really know what you are talking about.

GE:
Of all Bob Ryan knows the least what he's talking about.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

We do indeed choose to respond ...

How? By opening the door to our heart and letting Christ come in when He knocks?

Christ knocks. That explains everything whether He is received or rejected. Christ Jesus to the reprobate is a smell unto death; to the elect an odour unto life. But respond everyone shall respond and bend the knee, either under damnation of in awe of salvation.

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
How? By opening the door to our heart and letting Christ come in when He knocks?

Christ knocks. That explains everything whether He is received or rejected. Christ Jesus to the reprobate is a smell unto death; to the elect an odour unto life. But respond everyone shall respond and bend the knee, either under damnation of in awe of salvation.

If you believe that and we have a choice to receive Him or reject Him then I see no problem with your belief as long as He knocks at the door of the hearts of all men.
We too believe the Spirit of God strives with all men and if we receive or reject that Spirit to receive life or by rejection receive death for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life. amen,

Christ Jesus to the reprobate is a smell unto death; to the elect an odour unto life.

Seems to make man the one who decides to open the door or not?

 

[tragic_pizza]

If you believe that and we have a choice to receive Him or reject Him then I see no problem with your belief as long as He knocks at the door of the hearts of all men.

I have no idea, and niether do you.

Perhaps God does, and some humans for some reason do not respond. Perhaps God does not.

The definition of "a mystery of faith."

It is, after all, OK not to know everything there is to know about God.

 

[Brother Bob]

God has done all of the work neccesary for our reconciliation, up to and including calling us to that reconciliation. We do indeed choose to respond; however, to think that the response must be the "Sinners Prayer" or walking the aisle or some such is not only ridiculous, it is not Scriptural.

You just posted you did know!
Now you say you have no idea.

I agree in the mystery of faith and we don't know everything. I am glad that you believe that too.

 

[tragic_pizza]

You just posted you did know!
Now you say you have no idea.

What? Have you bothered learning to read English yet?

 

[Brother Bob]

What part do I have wrong and I will repost your statement?

Why you Calvinist so mean?

 

[tragic_pizza]

What part do I have wrong and I will repost your statement?

Why you Calvinist so mean?

Because you're so dense.

The part you have wrong is wherever you imagine I said I know everything and then turned around and said I did not. Clear that one up, and try very hard to do so in English.

 

[BD17]

The unsolicited part is what I like. You are the one who threw yourself into a debate between Reformed and myself without solicitation.

Positioning myself to say I know more than you. Did you make that up or read it on "google"?

I believe all men have a choice that is for sure.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Love the qouting of verses with no context to back it up. Classic Brother Bob debate tactics. He is the Founder of Burger King Theology... Have it your way.

 

[Brother Bob]

The part you have wrong is wherever you imagine I said I know everything and then turned around and said I did not. Clear that one up, and try very hard to do so in English.

You wear yours on your shirt sleeve. Stupidity that is. Maybe you need to grow up before getting on these debate forums.
God has done all of the work neccesary for our reconciliation, up to and including calling us to that reconciliation. (We do indeed choose to respond)
Perhaps God does, and some humans for some reason do not respond. Perhaps God does not.



Originally Posted by Brother Bob

TP
If you believe that and we have a choice to receive Him or reject Him then I see no problem with your belief as long as He knocks at the door of the hearts of all men.

Opposite

TP
I have no idea, and niether do you.

You said we had a choice and then said you had no idea weather we did or not.


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This will be my last post with you and if you see me post to someone else please do not jump in anymore for it will not be addressed to you. I don't care to debate with small School children. Thank you, :thumbs:

 

[Brother Bob]

Love the qouting of verses with no context to back it up. Classic Brother Bob debate tactics. He is the Founder of Burger King Theology... Have it your way.

Typical "God's Love" by a Calvinist. Wonder how you talk with God at night before going to sleep if you do?

 

[Blammo]

Love the qouting of verses with no context to back it up. Classic Brother Bob debate tactics. He is the Founder of Burger King Theology... Have it your way.

The verses are not good enough for you, eh? You need some big, wise, theological words along with them? Do you have a specific problem with any of the verses Bob posted, or were you just looking for an opportunity to use your clever little phrase "Burger King Theology"?

 

[tragic_pizza]

You wear yours on your shirt sleeve. Stupidity that is. Maybe you need to grow up before getting on these debate forums.
God has done all of the work neccesary for our reconciliation, up to and including calling us to that reconciliation. (We do indeed choose to respond)
Perhaps God does, and some humans for some reason do not respond. Perhaps God does not.



Originally Posted by Brother Bob

TP
If you believe that and we have a choice to receive Him or reject Him then I see no problem with your belief as long as He knocks at the door of the hearts of all men.

Opposite

TP
I have no idea, and niether do you.

You said we had a choice and then said you had no idea weather we did or not.

What I said, Bob, was that the function of choice as it applies to the sovereignty of God is a mystery. Some choose, some do not. Does God call some, and not others, or do some choose against? And if God is indeed God, how can someone resist God's grace, which is irresistible? I don't know. Niether do you. That was my point. Choice is a function, but how it is a function is a mystery.

This will be my last post with you and if you see me post to someone else please do not jump in anymore for it will not be addressed to you. I don't care to debate with small School children. Thank you, :thumbs:

Wearing your heart on your sleeve is an art. On the plus side, you were at least able this time to use complete sentences, proper tense, and punctuation.

Go off in a snit, but understand that the debate is not, cannot be, either/or. God is much larger than you try to make God out to be. God cannot be completely comprehended, and attempts to do so consistently end up in error.

 

[tragic_pizza]

The verses are not good enough for you, eh? You need some big, wise, theological words along with them? Do you have a specific problem with any of the verses Bob posted, or were you just looking for an opportunity to use your clever little phrase "Burger King Theology"?

Context seems to be the salient phrase here. Look it up.

 

[Brother Bob]

I would much rather go off in a snit than to go off talking as if I were head and shoulders above everyone else. Do you really think anyone care whether you think our english or grammar is good or not. You are a self-centered wanna be.

 

[tragic_pizza]

I would much rather go off in a snit than to go off talking as if I were head and shoulders above everyone else. Do you really think anyone care whether you think our english or grammar is good or not. You are a self-centered wanna be.

It has nothing to do with superiority and everything to do with comprehensibility. Half the time you post as if you are speaking another language, which makes conversation difficult. Be hurt and oh-so-martyred if you want to be, but those are the facts.