Name something not in the Bible that you were taught at church...

[Alcott]

Name something not in the Bible that you were taught at church...

That the word "dynasty" is not pronounced DIE-nasty. Once in the 5th or 6th grade, our teacher was teaching right along, and one guy was seated next to a map showing an Egyptian __ th Century Dynasty. Out of nowhere he said, in a slow whiny voice, "What's an Egyptian DIE-nasty?" The whole class tried to restrain ourselves but we completely broke up.

 

[agedman]

For readers of this thread, there are a few clarifications necessary.

Some teach double predestination, even heard those not Calvinistic teach it.

Predestination is in the Scripture, so is election.

HOWEVER, (and this is important) God does not choose anyone to go to hell.

John 3 clearly states those that do not believe are CONDEMNED ALREADY. They are not elected for condemnation, but are already condemned.

God does choose them, because God purposes His choices according to His will.

Double predestination is a lie, and is a distraction by the enemy from the truth, just as Eve was distracted from the truth - facts.

To this end, it is important to remember these basic principles:

• All have sinned, non are righteous, (Romans)
• God gives light to every person (John 1)
• To those who do not turn away from (or repent and turn toward) the light and dwell in, take (in), accept to THEM God grants the power to become His child. (John 1)
• Faith is the gift (the empowerment) of God - belief and faith are the same Greek word.
• God discerns the needs of every person, and the most unfair treatment is treating one person the same as another. God certainly provides for the just and unjust, but He may also discern to withdraw His hand from either.

One other point, “Darby Dispensation” is merely a scheme just as Covenant Theology, or Christocentric Theology is a scheme.

All of them have some value to enhance the believer’s discernment, and a believer who clings to one and rejecting the total of others may certainly miss something.


One thing not in the Bible?

God being a white man, and Jesus have a shinny tan complexion, with long straight silky brown/black hair, trimmed bear, and brown eyes.

 

[loDebar]

Where does it say that?

just the timing in the story, Esau attitude and actions, you know the story

 

[loDebar]

Read the story of Esau and Jacob in Genesis. It's all there. Paul is referencing Genesis when he talks about Esau and Jacob in Romans 9.
What is your reason for being biblically lazy?

don't try to be smart,personal attacks get banned.

I know scripture and your reference , Read what it means, not just what scripture says, I know you cannot enlighten me, or perhaps anyone.

It is a good practice, on the board that just posting scripture does little to the discussion unless you include your reason or an explanation. Most here read scripture and . see what we want to see,

 

[loDebar]

Well of course that is because you insist on lumping people who adhere to the doctrines of grace, or TULIP, in with Calvin. We don't follow Calvin, we follow Scripture. I believe as much as any other 5 point Calvinist on TULIP and don't stray at all. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

When one follows part of the Calvin TULIP, we assume you follow all. , It is not up to us to explain the difference, If you are different tell us how to avoid further confusion

 

[Particular]

don't try to be smart,personal attacks get banned.

I know scripture and your reference , Read what it means, not just what scripture says, I know you cannot enlighten me, or perhaps anyone.

It is a good practice, on the board that just posting scripture does little to the discussion unless you include your reason or an explanation. Most here read scripture and . see what we want to see,

You know my reason. I cannot force you to read with eyes that accept context.

 

[Reformed1689]

The entire point of Jesus dying on the cross is to send a message to convince people God loves them.

No, that was not the point. The point was to make the perfect sacrifice by taking our punishment. It in no way was to convince people God loves them and you will not find a shred of evidence for that in Scripture. The death had an actual mission that was actually accomplished. It was not something that just left the results up to chance.

just the timing in the story, Esau attitude and actions, you know the story

In other words, it doesn't say it. You read your own thoughts into it.

When one follows part of the Calvin TULIP, we assume you follow all. , It is not up to us to explain the difference, If you are different tell us how to avoid further confusion

I do follow all five points.

 

[loDebar]

You know my reason. I cannot force you to read with eyes that accept context.

explain your point, make it simple, like I have to explain

 

[loDebar]

No, that was not the point. The point was to make the perfect sacrifice by taking our punishment. It in no way was to convince people God loves them and you will not find a shred of evidence for that in Scripture. The death had an actual mission that was actually accomplished. It was not something that just left the results up to chance.

In other words, it doesn't say it. You read your own thoughts into it.

I do follow all five points.

you do not , as explained from your beginning here. It is different , I cant remember the point,
explain TULIP for us, maybe we can tell

 

[Particular]

explain your point, make it simple, like I have to explain

Scripture makes the point very simply. If you can't understand it, I can't help you. I just share the entire passage rather than one verse, out of context. Are you incapable of reading an entire passage and understanding context? I don't need to help you on this and...I am not going to make it easy on you. Just read the passage and ask yourself if you used the verse you quoted within the context.

 

[Reformed1689]

you do not , as explained from your beginning here. It is different , I cant remember the point,
explain TULIP for us, maybe we can tell

I hold to the five points. That's all I am going to explain because you know what they are. What did I say was different?

 

[loDebar]

You know my reason. I cannot force you to read with eyes that accept context.

You have not posted reasons

 

[loDebar]

I hold to the five points. That's all I am going to explain because you know what they are. What did I say was different?

I am not looking it up
Explain limited atonement

 

[Particular]

You have not posted reasons

I posted scripture within context. You quoted a sentence or phrase from the Bible and ignore any context.
My reason for quoting the entire passage is to get you to actually read the whole of the text. That's it. Have you read the whole text or do you refuse and only wish to read a sentence where you make up a story from the sentence?

 

[Particular]

I am not looking it up
Explain limited atonement

How many Bible passages showing predestination, election and God choosing does it take for you to accept God's atonement being for those who are predestined, elected and chosen?

 

[Reformed1689]

I am not looking it up
Explain limited atonement

Limited atonement means that Christ only paid for the sins of the elect on the cross. He did not die for the sin of every man. In other words, did Christ come to possibly save some but potentially none, or did He actually come to save the ones he intended to.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Six Hour Warning
This thread will be closed sometime after 9:55 PM Pacific.

 

[loDebar]

I posted scripture within context. You quoted a sentence or phrase from the Bible and ignore any context.
My reason for quoting the entire passage is to get you to actually read the whole of the text. That's it. Have you read the whole text or do you refuse and only wish to read a sentence where you make up a story from the sentence?

show how I am out of context, I am not. Show your position and the context

 

[loDebar]

Limited atonement means that Christ only paid for the sins of the elect on the cross. He did not die for the sin of every man. In other words, did Christ come to possibly save some but potentially none, or did He actually come to save the ones he intended to.

That is standard TULIP
Show irresistible Grace

 

[Reformed1689]

That is standard TULIP
Show irresistible Grace

Why? You apparently know the positions. You are just distracting and wasting time/bandwidth.