Narnia

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by Joshua Rhodes:
I think it's very sad that some assume they know what others believe or are thinking, merely by the type of FICTION they choose to read. Get over yourself, please. We all have.

No one is purporting that CON or Pilgrim's Progress is the level of the Gospel. NNE HAS SAID THAT. No one has said that ANY allegory should be accepted over the Gospel or any part of the Bible for that matter. Stop putting words in our mouths, stop assuming you anything about those that post here, and by all means, stop questioning the motives of those that enjoyed the Biblical parallels in a fictional story.

In His Grip,
joshua

The parallels in both CON and PP are not aligned with God's Word. That makes them false. They are full of leaven, which spoils the whole thing. If someone chooses to read fiction that does not present the gospel in its pure form, they have left a foothold for the devil.

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

Where does it stop? Should I put away any fiction with elements of sacrifice, betrayal, redemption, courage, coming-of-age... because they happen in Scripture, and might by construed to be parallel with it? No.

The fact is, it's easier for you to believe that the devil has a foothold in my life than to imagine that I might just have a point. No one has put anything above Scripture. You are arguing a point that all of us agree with. But I am not going to let you be the Holy Spirit in my life and tell me what I can and cannot read. That's for Him to convict of, not you.

Thanks for your view. I just don't agree.

In His Grip,
joshua

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by Joshua Rhodes:
Where does it stop? Should I put away any fiction with elements of sacrifice, betrayal, redemption, courage, coming-of-age... because they happen in Scripture, and might by construed to be parallel with it? No.

The fact is, it's easier for you to believe that the devil has a foothold in my life than to imagine that I might just have a point. No one has put anything above Scripture. You are arguing a point that all of us agree with. But I am not going to let you be the Holy Spirit in my life and tell me what I can and cannot read. That's for Him to convict of, not you.

Thanks for your view. I just don't agree.

In His Grip,
joshua

Of course you don't agree - I never thought you would, actually. But that won't stop me from trying. I really don't want people to go through what I have, so I will keep pushing the envelope even when it's not wanted. No offense taken, none given. I will leave you all alone now. I have said my piece. Ta ta

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

No offense taken from you, either, eloi. I pray that the Lord shows us all where He would have us stand on this issue. Thanks for agreeing to disagree. God bless, brother!

In His Grip,
joshua

 

[Karen]

Hello eloi,
I'm still not following you. Is reading Pilgrim's Progress what is sad or that people don't follow its message better?

Edited to add: I didn't read far enough. Sounds like you ARE against Pilgrim's Progress.

Karen

 

[Brice]

Eloidal,

I think you and I may agree on some things, so I understand where you are coming from. You see, I personally abstain from many things due to my past. I was not raised in a Church on a consistent basis and I was brought up in the public school system. I came from a single parent family where the parent worked nights. I was saved at 22 years of age and when I got saved I wanted to purge my life of everything. What many perceived as legalism, I had to do in order to not slide back into the life I came from. I thought that everyone should follow my pattern because those things (movies, TV, music, etc.) were just many of the things that lead me down the wrong path. In the time since my salvation, I have come to realize that although some things might take me down the wrong path or hinder my walk with God, they may do not the same to another brother or sister in Christ. It took me some time to realize this, but it was an important revelation. I still abstain from a great deal of stuff (Secular music, secular TV and many other “normal” activities), but this is because they affect MY walk with God. This may not be true for another Christian because these things will not send them down the wrong path. It is ok to enjoy life (as long as it is not in direct conflict with Scripture) and we need to discover our own strengths and weaknesses. This is exactly what Paul’s argument is in the Bible (regarding the weak and strong brother). I cannot and should not decide what is right or wrong for another Christian, so long as it is not in direct violation of scripture. This may or may not be of relevance to you, but I hope you are able to take something positive away from it. I can see you are truly concerned about your fellow brethren and for this I commend you. God bless.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by Salamander:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Phillip:
That's a whole other debate. It belongs in the BVT forum.

I would certainly be careful about what you say regarding the Word of God.

Pot calling kettle black?

Nothing amiss in the previous comments about those who hold to newer translations more accepting of modern nuances in movies and television sitcoms, we're living in the 2000's now Phillip: Welcome! </font>[/QUOTE]You certainly missed my point. Why don't you go back and READ the posts again instead of making assumptions based on ignorance of the subject.

When I said "attacking God's Word" I was against a person calling a "modern version" evil. Not the other way around. Might I advise you go to your local Wal-Mart. Reading glasses are very inexpensive. Buy two pairs in case you loose one.

That is all I am going to say about Bible Versions in this thread, because the thread is about Narnia---a great movie that I would recommend to anybody.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by eloidalmanutha:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Johnv:
The topic of the "Passion" movie aside, a person in the 1st century living in Judea would have been well aware of the grotesque and gruesome nature of crucifixion. They would have witnessed crucified bodies hanging like proverbial christmas ornaments on the side of the road at the entrance to major cities like Jerusalem.

We folks in the 21st centurey have no real condept of what crucifixion entails. Our image is quite antiseptic and inaccurate compared to the real thing. So much so that the term "Jesus shed his blood for you" is so benign that it's become a cliche. I personally think that we need to be reminded of the seriousness of Christ's suffering and death to better comprehend to what length Jesus went through in sacrificing himself for us.

But all that is neither here nor there to the topic at hand. The fact remains that a film or story that contains scriptural parallels does not in and of itself violate scripture.

The Bible tells all we need to know. It is not necessary to drown in the details. It is enough to know that I was bent for hell and because of Jesus, I have life. The Holy Spirit convicts and moves one's heart to understand His sacrifice, because we have God's written Word. It is Complete. It is Perfect. It is Eternal. It fully transcends anything and everything that man can come up with.

Scriptural parallels are man's attempt to improve upon God. It's that simple. Maturity in the Word, wisdom and knowledge, understanding all come to those who seek God with all their heart and He will give it. James 1 </font>[/QUOTE]It is not necessary to drown in the details of the Bible? Is THAT what you really believe? ...sad.

Doesn't the Bible say something about being so judgmental to your fellow Christians? Maybe you didn't drown in THAT subject matter.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by Brice:
Eloidal,

I think you and I may agree on some things, so I understand where you are coming from. You see, I personally abstain from many things due to my past. I was not raised in a Church on a consistent basis and I was brought up in the public school system. I came from a single parent family where the parent worked nights. I was saved at 22 years of age and when I got saved I wanted to purge my life of everything. What many perceived as legalism, I had to do in order to not slide back into the life I came from. I thought that everyone should follow my pattern because those things (movies, TV, music, etc.) were just many of the things that lead me down the wrong path. In the time since my salvation, I have come to realize that although some things might take me down the wrong path or hinder my walk with God, they may do not the same to another brother or sister in Christ. It took me some time to realize this, but it was an important revelation. I still abstain from a great deal of stuff (Secular music, secular TV and many other “normal” activities), but this is because they affect MY walk with God. This may not be true for another Christian because these things will not send them down the wrong path. It is ok to enjoy life (as long as it is not in direct conflict with Scripture) and we need to discover our own strengths and weaknesses. This is exactly what Paul’s argument is in the Bible (regarding the weak and strong brother). I cannot and should not decide what is right or wrong for another Christian, so long as it is not in direct violation of scripture. This may or may not be of relevance to you, but I hope you are able to take something positive away from it. I can see you are truly concerned about your fellow brethren and for this I commend you. God bless.

You are a very wise person, Brice. I commend you on your perception, fairness and insight into God's Word.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by eloidalmanutha:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joshua Rhodes:
Where does it stop? Should I put away any fiction with elements of sacrifice, betrayal, redemption, courage, coming-of-age... because they happen in Scripture, and might by construed to be parallel with it? No.

The fact is, it's easier for you to believe that the devil has a foothold in my life than to imagine that I might just have a point. No one has put anything above Scripture. You are arguing a point that all of us agree with. But I am not going to let you be the Holy Spirit in my life and tell me what I can and cannot read. That's for Him to convict of, not you.

Thanks for your view. I just don't agree.

In His Grip,
joshua

Of course you don't agree - I never thought you would, actually. But that won't stop me from trying. I really don't want people to go through what I have, so I will keep pushing the envelope even when it's not wanted. No offense taken, none given. I will leave you all alone now. I have said my piece. Ta ta

</font>[/QUOTE]I have been posting responses based on the order in which I read them.

Thank you for this response. I can understand your concern for other people and if I was out of line in taunting you about it, I appologize.

I still disagree with you on the movie, but I think we can agree to disagree on an issue that will not be important in about six months when the movie goes from the screen to DVD and into history (much the way The Passion did.)

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Salamander:
Did you observe "departing from the truth" into consideration before making that statement?

Your comment about "departing from the truth" doesn't apply, because we're not talking about something that claims to be scriptural truth. No one here upholds it as scriptural truth (except perhaps, some anti-narnia folks).

Again, it is not unscriptural for a film to simply contain scriptural parallels. </font>[/QUOTE]Abstaining from the APPEARANCE of ALL evil exactly DOES make narnia an unscriptural parallel, including the film and all the books, cartoons included, thus Scripture condemns the usage of majicians, witchcraft, and deviations from the Word of Truth.

What can anyone expect from such a liberal mindset?

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by nate:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by eloidalmanutha:
The Biblical accounts are stated simply, not graphically portrayed on the silver screen in an edifying and glorifying way. As a former SS teacher, the depth and content of Biblical stories is defined by age and maturity. For some crazy reason, I am a firm believer in accepting God's perspective, not hellywood's, nor through the eyes of mythology. God did not use magic/witchcraft to tell His Story. He told us that magic/witchcraft is wrong and gave examples why that is so.

Please read the Gospels Christ death and His road to cross is quite graphic. </font>[/QUOTE]The difference would then be that God uses those graffics to draw men to Christ, not to entertain others in the effort.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Salamander:
Abstaining from the APPEARANCE of ALL evil exactly DOES make narnia an unscriptural parallel...

Since all attempts to provide evidence for the CON being evil have failed miserably, your contention using the calling to abstain from the appearance of evil likewise fails miserably.

What can anyone expect from such a liberal mindset?

That's funny! A KJVOist accusing someone of a liberal mindset.

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Salamander:
Abstaining from the APPEARANCE of ALL evil exactly DOES make narnia an unscriptural parallel...

Since all attempts to provide evidence for the CON being evil have failed miserably, your contention using the calling to abstain from the appearance of evil likewise fails miserably.

What can anyone expect from such a liberal mindset?

That's funny! A KJVOist accusing someone of a liberal mindset.

</font>[/QUOTE]1st: I'm not "KJVO"

2nd: God doesn't use sorcery and witchcraft anytime, narnia does.

3rd: Next we know, you'll be defending your belief in Santa Clause.

 

[Pete Richert]

Brice! You are some sort of genius!

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Salamander:
1st: I'm not "KJVO"

I'll take your word for it. You did, however, refer to KJVOism as "Truth", leading one do believe you are. Comparing KJVOism to truth is grossly liberal.

2nd: God doesn't use sorcery and witchcraft anytime, narnia does.

Fictional writings are not scripturally condemned just because they contain such.

3rd: Next we know, you'll be defending your belief in Santa Clause.

"Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north" - Samuel 2:6

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by Phillip:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brice:
Eloidal,

I think you and I may agree on some things, so I understand where you are coming from. You see, I personally abstain from many things due to my past. I was not raised in a Church on a consistent basis and I was brought up in the public school system. I came from a single parent family where the parent worked nights. I was saved at 22 years of age and when I got saved I wanted to purge my life of everything. What many perceived as legalism, I had to do in order to not slide back into the life I came from. I thought that everyone should follow my pattern because those things (movies, TV, music, etc.) were just many of the things that lead me down the wrong path. In the time since my salvation, I have come to realize that although some things might take me down the wrong path or hinder my walk with God, they may do not the same to another brother or sister in Christ. It took me some time to realize this, but it was an important revelation. I still abstain from a great deal of stuff (Secular music, secular TV and many other “normal” activities), but this is because they affect MY walk with God. This may not be true for another Christian because these things will not send them down the wrong path. It is ok to enjoy life (as long as it is not in direct conflict with Scripture) and we need to discover our own strengths and weaknesses. This is exactly what Paul’s argument is in the Bible (regarding the weak and strong brother). I cannot and should not decide what is right or wrong for another Christian, so long as it is not in direct violation of scripture. This may or may not be of relevance to you, but I hope you are able to take something positive away from it. I can see you are truly concerned about your fellow brethren and for this I commend you. God bless.

You are a very wise person, Brice. I commend you on your perception, fairness and insight into God's Word. </font>[/QUOTE]And the key, Phillip, is that those same devices are what the Christian is to be wise to, not playing with, risking the chance of being overcome in any fault ascribed to those same influences that cause the Christian to possibly stumble.

I am sorry that so many cannot discern this truth, but then it becomes that many will stumble anf fall to their own demise. It is not that God doesn't reveal all craftiness and bring man's witty inventions to naught, it is that men will not take advices that would otherwise prevent the stumbling.

It's not that all snakes are bad, but it is that all snakes can bite to break the skin and cause infections that can either disable and kill.

To interject a "foul"?

 

[Pete Richert]

It's not that all snakes are bad, but it is that all snakes can bite to break the skin and cause infections that can either disable and kill.

This is a very interesting analogy. Do you, in real life, avoid all snakes due to this fear?

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by Johnv:

Originally posted by Salamander:
1st: I'm not "KJVO"

I'll take your word for it. You did, however, refer to KJVOism as "Truth", leading one do believe you are. Comparing KJVOism to truth is grossly liberal.[/quote]

Only to some one who doesn't know thr Truth

2nd: God doesn't use sorcery and witchcraft anytime, narnia does.

Fictional writings are not scripturally condemned just because they contain such.[/quote] When they contain what God condemns the use of, YES, I'm afraid for you to think anything else; READ YOUR BIBLE

3rd: Next we know, you'll be defending your belief in Santa Clause.

"Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north" - Samuel 2:6 [/QUOTE] You pervert any Scripture at hand I see, but I do like your sense of "humour", now if we could just convince you Santa isn't really gonna slide down your chimney Sunday night, but we all know you'll fall fast asleep around 2 am in the floor to awake and make the claim you saw his foot slide up the chimney.

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by Pete Richert:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />It's not that all snakes are bad, but it is that all snakes can bite to break the skin and cause infections that can either disable and kill.

This is a very interesting analogy. Do you, in real life, avoid all snakes due to this fear? </font>[/QUOTE]No, I kill the poisonous ones and don't get close enough to those that bite to get bitten, but I have played with many ringnecks and green snakes. I really don't have a phobia, just know it's best not to play with snakes at all.

We are speaking on a spiritual level here, not the natural. Learn the difference, OK?