Narnia

[Phillip]

Marcia, just how many people do you know who are worshipping unicorns? Give me a break. Now, I guess Casper the friendly ghost is evil.

Why don't we just take ALL fantasy books and films and have a public BURNING. Yeah, that's the ticket!!!!

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Phillip wrote:
Why don't we just take ALL fantasy books and films and have a public BURNING. Yeah, that's the ticket!!!!


Funny you should mention that ...........

Acts 19:19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.

curious arts - periergos - #4021

1) busy about trifles and neglectful of important matters

a) esp. busy about other folks' affairs, a busybody

b) of things: impertinent and superfluous

1) of magic arts

 

[Phillip]

Let me use a little clearer translation: ESV

Acts 19:19
And a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.


I DON'T PRACTICE MAGIC ARTS. I DOUBT SERIOUSLY THAT ANYBODY ELSE POSTING HERE PRACTICES MAGIC ARTS.

Please find a more appropriate scripture next time you wish to burn somebody.

 

[Helen]

In all of his fantasy books (the Narnia series, the Perlandra series, and 'Til We Have Faces'), C.S. Lewis invites the reader to explore Christian concepts. He does NOT even pretend to present the Gospel. He does that quite thoroughly in many of his lectures and essays! LWW presents SOME of these concepts: where falling for temptation can lead; the effects of evil; the concept of dying for someone else; the eventual triumph of good over evil; that we shall reign someday (they reign under Aslan's authority).

Children were the original intended audience for this book, and the book invites them into a world of thinking about good and evil, about obedience and disobedience, about falling for temptation and staying strong, about cowardice and bravery. It is done within a Christian mileau and I don't know of any person who has ever read the book or seen the movie (there is an excellent version which was put out many years ago as well, which we have, which is also quite faithful to the original and a delight to watch), who has actually missed that point!

In other words, I don't think you are going to find this movie will be a hit with Muslims, Buddhists, or the like. Its reference point is Christian. I am amazed Disney stayed as close to the original as they evidently did (haven't seen it yet).

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Phillip wrote:

I DON'T PRACTICE MAGIC ARTS. I DOUBT SERIOUSLY THAT ANYBODY ELSE POSTING HERE PRACTICES MAGIC ARTS.

Please find a more appropriate scripture next time you wish to burn somebody.


The definition of magic arts includes:
"b) of things: impertinent and superfluous"

That would be an "allegory" of the Chronicles of Narnia, in my opinion. In other words, they would make great kindling

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

That would be an "allegory" of the Chronicles of Narnia, in my opinion. In other words, they would make great kindling.

Thanks for presenting your opinion as fact. We all appreciate it.

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by Joshua Rhodes:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> That would be an "allegory" of the Chronicles of Narnia, in my opinion. In other words, they would make great kindling.

Thanks for presenting your opinion as fact. We all appreciate it. </font>[/QUOTE]My pleasure . . .

 

[Boanerges]

Originally posted by Joshua Rhodes:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> That would be an "allegory" of the Chronicles of Narnia, in my opinion. In other words, they would make great kindling.

Thanks for presenting your opinion as fact. We all appreciate it. </font>[/QUOTE]Actually eloi, thanks for presenting your opinion at all. It is nice to see something put forth other than the feelings, that many are led about by these days.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by Helen:
In all of his fantasy books (the Narnia series, the Perlandra series, and 'Til We Have Faces'), C.S. Lewis invites the reader to explore Christian concepts. He does NOT even pretend to present the Gospel. He does that quite thoroughly in many of his lectures and essays! LWW presents SOME of these concepts: where falling for temptation can lead; the effects of evil; the concept of dying for someone else; the eventual triumph of good over evil; that we shall reign someday (they reign under Aslan's authority).

Children were the original intended audience for this book, and the book invites them into a world of thinking about good and evil, about obedience and disobedience, about falling for temptation and staying strong, about cowardice and bravery. It is done within a Christian mileau and I don't know of any person who has ever read the book or seen the movie (there is an excellent version which was put out many years ago as well, which we have, which is also quite faithful to the original and a delight to watch), who has actually missed that point!

In other words, I don't think you are going to find this movie will be a hit with Muslims, Buddhists, or the like. Its reference point is Christian. I am amazed Disney stayed as close to the original as they evidently did (haven't seen it yet).

Great post Helen. I watched Narnia this weekend and was quite amazed that Hollywood would remain so faithful to the original.

I would take ANY child to see the movie. It was clean, no cursing. How often do we see a movie today (including cartoons) that have bad language?

There was some violence, but the witch would freeze the people and turn them to stone and in the end the lion unthawed them and they woke up.

GREAT movie. I want to see it again.

It CERTAINLY beats what they show on the REGULAR television channels every night.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by eloidalmanutha:
Phillip wrote:

I DON'T PRACTICE MAGIC ARTS. I DOUBT SERIOUSLY THAT ANYBODY ELSE POSTING HERE PRACTICES MAGIC ARTS.

Please find a more appropriate scripture next time you wish to burn somebody.


The definition of magic arts includes:
"b) of things: impertinent and superfluous"

That would be an "allegory" of the Chronicles of Narnia, in my opinion. In other words, they would make great kindling

HAHAHA LOL ROLF, so, where did you buy your dictionary? Give me a break!!!!!

 

[Sularis]

Ahhh thats right anyone who disagrees with you couldnt be doing so based on factual information

Boanerges you posted a link trying to condemn D&D when in fact the link was SUPPORTING D&D

**Insult removed**

Also you went outside of the topic to my website - to a GAME site and somehow extrapolated what was there into some form of twisted reality

I far more respect eloid - although yer wrong anyways eloid

because an attempt was made to defend the viewpoint. Despite the horrible glaring error

You Boanerges - have dodged, ducked, dipped, dived, and yes dodged the whole point - bringing up bunny trail after bunny trail.

**Insult removed** but to deal with your point about magic again

go to www.dictionary.com
type in miracle and read
type in magic and read

compare and notice miracle is magic BY and FROM ONLY God whilst magic is from other sources - they ARE the same

[ December 20, 2005, 01:24 PM: Message edited by: blackbird ]

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by Phillip:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by eloidalmanutha:
Phillip wrote:

I DON'T PRACTICE MAGIC ARTS. I DOUBT SERIOUSLY THAT ANYBODY ELSE POSTING HERE PRACTICES MAGIC ARTS.

Please find a more appropriate scripture next time you wish to burn somebody.


The definition of magic arts includes:
"b) of things: impertinent and superfluous"

That would be an "allegory" of the Chronicles of Narnia, in my opinion. In other words, they would make great kindling

HAHAHA LOL ROLF, so, where did you buy your dictionary? Give me a break!!!!!

</font>[/QUOTE]Lexicon Results for periergos (Strong's 4021)
Greek for 4021

Pronunciation Guide
periergos {per-ee'-er-gos}

TDNT Reference Root Word
Not Available from 4012 and 2041
Part of Speech
adj
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) busy about trifles and neglectful of important matters

a) esp. busy about other folks' affairs, a busybody

b) of things: impertinent and superfluous

1) of magic arts



Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 2
AV - curious arts 1, busybody 1; 2
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G4021
periergos
per-ee'-er-gos
From G4012 and G2041; working all around, that is, officious (meddlesome, neuter plural magic): - busybody, curious arts.
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thayers:
busy about trifles and neglectful of important matters; impertinent and superfluous

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by Sularis:


go to www.dictionary.com
type in miracle and read
type in magic and read

compare and notice miracle is magic BY and FROM ONLY God whilst magic is from other sources - they ARE the same

According to Biblical standards and definition, magic is witchcraft, is considered a sin, and is of satan. Magic is illusion and trickery. Miracles are attributed to God for His Divine purpose and will, and are not illusion, but reality.

 

[Phillip]

...and watching a fantasy movie that includes obvious FAKE magic such as riding on broomsticks is Satanic, right? The magic and Satnic rituals the Bible refers to was actual religious rites and worship. There is a big difference between this and make-believe.

 

[Johnv]

I'm currently burning my bible. It contains magic and astrology that is not condemned.

 

[Helen]

Phillip, I totally agree with you, with the proviso that when make-believe encourages witchcraft (thinking of Harry Potter here, among others) it is no longer harmless.

Narnia in no way encourages what it actually condemns in the person of the White Witch (notice the 'white' -- giving the appearance of good...)

 

[Phillip]

Have you had a chance to see the movie Helen?

 

[Helen]

Not yet. Before Christmas is impossible. But we are looking forward to it. We have the original videos of several of the Narnia books done in England and enjoy them tremendously, though. I'm eager to see how faithful this new one is. I'm so afraid I will prefer the 'old' Lucy of the English videos to the 'new' one...such a snob I am....sigh...

 

[Johnv]

Helen, I've seen 'em all. They pale in comparison to the movie version. Andrew Adamson, Douglas Gresham (CS Lewis' stepson), and the whole production team did a great job on this film.

My only caveat is that the battle scene might be too much for the youngest viewers (below the age of 6). But the battle scene (for that matter, the entire movie) is completely devoid of blood and gore, without detracting one bit from the scenes.

 

[Phillip]

Yep, and at the end, many of the creatures that the white witch had turned into ice/stone were thawed and revived.

I could see the symbolism throughout the movie. It was actually quite amazing. The way Edmund sold out his brother and sisters and then was redeemed when he talked with Aslan.....great movie! I want to see it again, because I know I missed half of the details.

Also.....great effects.