Near Death Experience

[go2church]

Never had one, not sure what is going on when these things happen. I guess I would be more interested in what said individual has done since this experience.

 

[righteousdude2]

Never had one, not sure what is going on when these things happen. I guess I would be more interested in what said individual has done since this experience.

Go back a few posts and see what God did with my dad after his! This is what a second chance should bring about!

 

[Yeshua1]

There have been in books and movies about people going to heaven and returning to tell about it... What is everyones thoughts on this topic and have you ever know anyone this has happened to?

The Lord gave us all that we will need to know on that subject before we die in the Bible, and since God forbade paul to share his vision of heaven to us, why should we believe uninspired sources of giving to us additional revealtion on the afterlife?

 

[Crabtownboy]

The Lord gave us all that we will need to know on that subject before we die in the Bible, and since God forbade paul to share his vision of heaven to us, why should we believe uninspired sources of giving to us additional revealtion on the afterlife?

So no one is inspired in this day and time?

Remember, even Paul did not say all his writings were inspired.

 

[JonC]

So no one is inspired in this day and time?

Remember, even Paul did not say all his writings were inspired.

Paul indicated that his words as inspired by God (commanded by God) by pointing out the few times he offered a personal opinion or observation that was not a command.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

So no one is inspired in this day and time?

The canon is closed. There is no new scripture. People who claim extra-biblical inspiration are no better than the tongue waggers, or the snake handlers.

Remember, even Paul did not say all his writings were inspired.

That is simply not true.

 

[Crabtownboy]

That is simply not true.

Obviously you have not read all of Paul's writings in the NT.

Paul is not God, so in the following it is Paul speaking, not God:

“I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes.” (1 Timothy 2:9)

“Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: but I give my own opinion.” (1 Corinthians 7:25)

There are many places in Paul's writing where he says "I" letting us know it is he speaking and not God who is speaking.

In Romans, Paul refers to himself 103 times. In 1 Corinthians, he refers to himself 175 times. In 2 Corinthians, he refers to himself 103 times. In Galatians, which is one of his shorter books, he refers to himself 69 times!

Here Paul admits that what he is writing is his opinion and not inspired by God:

"Unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord .., but the rest is from me, not from the Lord” (I Cor. 7:10-12).

So, Bro, read Paul carefully and you will see that I am correct.

There is a strong case to argue that Paul did not consider most of his writing inspired. If he thought all his writing was inspired he would not have quoted scripture that was part of the canon and inspired.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I simply will not entertain a discussion with anyone denying the inspiration of any of Paul's epistles.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I simply will not entertain a discussion with anyone denying the inspiration of any of Paul's epistles.

Then you do not believe in a literal interpretation of Paul's writings. What you are saying is that you do not believe Paul. Interesting.

I, on the other hand, believe Paul meant what he wrote.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Whatever you wanna do to twist words C.T.Boy. Not going to fantasy land with you.


It comes to this. God says people die once, then are judged.

You and some others are are saying, "now wait a minute"……

 

[tyndale1946]

Obviously you have not read all of Paul's writings in the NT.

Paul is not God, so in the following it is Paul speaking, not God:

“I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes.” (1 Timothy 2:9)

“Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: but I give my own opinion.” (1 Corinthians 7:25)

There are many places in Paul's writing where he says "I" letting us know it is he speaking and not God who is speaking.

In Romans, Paul refers to himself 103 times. In 1 Corinthians, he refers to himself 175 times. In 2 Corinthians, he refers to himself 103 times. In Galatians, which is one of his shorter books, he refers to himself 69 times!

Here Paul admits that what he is writing is his opinion and not inspired by God:

"Unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord .., but the rest is from me, not from the Lord” (I Cor. 7:10-12).

So, Bro, read Paul carefully and you will see that I am correct.

There is a strong case to argue that Paul did not consider most of his writing inspired. If he thought all his writing was inspired he would not have quoted scripture that was part of the canon and inspired.

WHAT!... You obviously have a different Bible than I do.

Lets see Paul mentored Timothy... Paul was his spiritual father in the ministry. According to Timothy you are full of hot air.

II Timothy 3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY THE INSPIRATION OF GOD!... and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

What scripture is he talking about?... Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 The whole Bible!

 

[Crabtownboy]

WHAT!... You obviously have a different Bible than I do.

Lets see Paul mentored Timothy... Paul was his spiritual father in the ministry. According to Timothy you are full of hot air.

II Timothy 3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY THE INSPIRATION OF GOD!... and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

What scripture is he talking about?... Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 The whole Bible!

Obviously he did not think all his writings were inspired. Paul was talking about the OT. The NT canon did not exist at the time that Paul lived.

You either take Paul as he wrote, or you take a liberal view and say he really did not mean exactly what he wrote. I say Paul meant exactly what he wrote.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Whatever you wanna do to twist words C.T.Boy. Not going to fantasy land with you.


It comes to this. God says people die once, then are judged.

You and some others are are saying, "now wait a minute"……

You're shifting gears Bro. Our topic is Paul. Yes people die once and are judged. Read the judgement scene in Matthew and quake in fear.

So, you do not believe Paul meant what he wrote?

 

[Aaron]

Nevermind. Started a new thread. http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=95521

 

[annsni]

Obviously he did not think all his writings were inspired. Paul was talking about the OT. The NT canon did not exist at the time that Paul lived.

You either take Paul as he wrote, or you take a liberal view and say he really did not mean exactly what he wrote. I say Paul meant exactly what he wrote.

2 Peter 3:14-16 " So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."

Interestingly enough, Peter here speaks of Paul's writings as Scripture. So we see while you say that Paul's writings were not Scripture, the early church thought otherwise.

 

[annsni]

I believe these people certainly have dreams but they have not gone to heaven. It is appointed men once to die and then the judgment. What is interesting is that pretty much every account I've read has contradicted the Scriptures. Why is that? Because it is OUR OWN DREAM of what heaven is like and certainly not what Scripture reveals.

 

[Crabtownboy]

2 Peter 3:14-16 " So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."

Interestingly enough, Peter here speaks of Paul's writings as Scripture. So we see while you say that Paul's writings were not Scripture, the early church thought otherwise.

Peter says with the wisdom of God. I see that as different from inspired. It is a fine line. But I also believe there are people alive today who write with the wisdom of God and I would not say they are inspired in the same was as scripture.

Also, Paul said he was giving his opinion. Now for the folks who say the Bible is literally true they have to accept what Paul said as he said it, else they are denying Paul's writings as literally true.

 

[annsni]

Peter says with the wisdom of God. I see that as different from inspired. It is a fine line. But I also believe there are people alive today who write with the wisdom of God and I would not say they are inspired in the same was as scripture.

Also, Paul said he was giving his opinion. Now for the folks who say the Bible is literally true they have to accept what Paul said as he said it, else they are denying Paul's writings as literally true.

Paul rarely said some things were his opinion. Does that mean ALL of his writings were his opinion? Do we disregard all of the Pauline writings as nothing more than man's opinion? Why was it included in the canon then?

Again, Peter says that Paul's writings were Scripture. I'll agree with him instead.

 

[InTheLight]

I believe these people certainly have dreams but they have not gone to heaven. It is appointed men once to die and then the judgment. What is interesting is that pretty much every account I've read has contradicted the Scriptures. Why is that? Because it is OUR OWN DREAM of what heaven is like and certainly not what Scripture reveals.

This is my stance on this subject, but with a twist.

When a person is dying I believe their brain goes into super-activity mode, searching, searching their memory and knowlege trying to make sense of what is happening to them. In doing so, their memory reaches back to the earliest possible moments of their conscious life. They're in the womb and about to be born. There is a tunnel with a bright light at the end of it. Brilliant light, and the person is being urged to go toward the light. Voices can be heard. Once born, the baby is surrounded by loved ones. There is grandma and grandpa, etc.

During the NDE, this memory gets inserted into the brain's confused state, often with the aide of painkilling drugs or other meds, and the person concocts a dream of going down a tunnel toward the light. Urgent voices can be heard. The person figures the light is a source of warmth and comfort, just as it was when he was born. Will grandma and grandpa be there, just like before? Yes, his dream creates the image of them waiting at the end of the tunnel, just like before. The brain using the memory/dream combination asserts to the person that this is heaven and this is what death is like.

Just a theory, but I think worth considering.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Paul rarely said some things were his opinion. Does that mean ALL of his writings were his opinion? Do we disregard all of the Pauline writings as nothing more than man's opinion? Why was it included in the canon then?

Again, Peter says that Paul's writings were Scripture. I'll agree with him instead.

:thumbs::thumbs: thank you, Annsni.