New Era SBC President: a Mix of Reformed Baptist, Charismaticism

[ehbowen]

ANY new revelation that ever comes forth will be false revelation, as God has spoken to us in Jesus and the scriptures, and he will remain silent apart from the scriptures until the Second Coming!

Does this board have a popcorn smiley? Guess not. But I'd love to see you make that argument to God in person.

 

[Calminian]

Does this board have a popcorn smiley? Guess not. But I'd love to see you make that argument to God in person.

He's just repeating God's argument from Hebrews 1 and Revelation.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[ehbowen]

He's just repeating God's argument from Hebrews 1 and Revelation.

Well, you're talking with a kid who wouldn't hesitate to say, "But the emperor isn't wearing any clothes!" if the situation warranted it. I believe that it does. And that both Hebrews 1 and Revelation are going to be superseded. Not forgotten, not overturned, any more than the Old Testament was by the New Testament. But in light of what will eventually be revealed about God's nature and character, remembered in much the same way as you now remember your eight year-old daughter saying she was never going to get married because boys were so yucky.


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[Calminian]

Well, you're talking with a kid who wouldn't hesitate to say, "But the emperor isn't wearing any clothes!" if the situation warranted it. I believe that it does. And that both Hebrews 1 and Revelation are going to be superseded. Not forgotten, not overturned, any more than the Old Testament was by the New Testament. But in light of what will eventually be revealed about God's nature and character, remembered in much the same way as you now remember your eight year-old daughter saying she was never going to get married because boys were so yucky.


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Well let me ask you this then. What signs and miracles are you witnessing? And how do they compare to those recorded at Pentecost?

 

[ehbowen]

Well let me ask you this then. What signs and miracles are you witnessing? And how do they compare to those recorded at Pentecost?

I would need - - and demand - - signs and miracles if my purpose was to convince you as a representative acting in the name of God. But I don't need them for God to convince me. I'm not trying to make any converts...but I do want to say what I think.

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[Calminian]

I would need - - and demand - - signs and miracles if my purpose was to convince you as a representative acting in the name of God. But I don't need them for God to convince me. I'm not trying to make any converts...but I do want to say what I think.

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So, it sounds to me like you're a closet cessationist. You just need to come out of the closet.

The truth is virtually all continuationists are really closet cessationists. They all admit that what they're doing today is far from what god was doing at Pentecost. That's why I'm a cessationist. Pentecost was in your face first rate signs and wonders. Resurrections from the dead, arms stretched out and made whole, real tongues in real languages communicating the gospel to unbelievers. And they were for all to see. They were for signs. They authenticated the authority of the early Apostles and their Churches they were planting. And that's what they'll be in the last days when Christ returns.

Today they are either top secret or just some embarrassing excuse for a miracle. I'm not against miracles. I believe miracles happen today. But I never see them in the form of a gifted individual who's being authenticated by God. And it sounds like you don't either.

 

[ehbowen]

So, it sounds to me like you're a closet cessationist. You just need to come out of the closet.

The truth is virtually all continuationists are really closet cessationists. They all admit that what they're doing today is far from what god was doing at Pentecost. That's why I'm a cessationist. Pentecost was in your face first rate signs and wonders. Resurrections from the dead, arms stretched out and made whole, real tongues in real languages communicating the gospel to unbelievers. And they were for all to see. They were for signs. They authenticated the authority of the early Apostles and their Churches they were planting. And that's what they'll be in the last days when Christ returns.

Today they are either top secret or just some embarrassing excuse for a miracle. I'm not against miracles. I believe miracles happen today. But I never see them in the form of a gifted individual who's being authenticated by God. And it sounds like you don't either.

But I don't believe the sign gifts have ceased. I just think that they're not necessary right now, when what God is doing in my life is showing me his heart. Yes, maybe I should just keep my big mouth shut...but I like to speak up and say what I think. Even if, at least for the moment, I can't prove it. Someday, perhaps...I'll be able to.

 

[Calminian]

....I just think that they're not necessary right now.....

Which is exactly what cessationists believe.

 

[ehbowen]

Which is exactly what cessationists believe.

Well, I'm sure that your understanding of cessationist doctrine is superior to mine, seeing as how I hadn't seen the term in conversation until you brought it up. My understanding of the word implies that they believe that the gifts are gone for good. My own thought is that God the Holy Spirit is looking for just the right opportunity to bring them back...for good!

Edit To Add: Hence, my signature....

 

[Calminian]

Well, I'm sure that your understanding of cessationist doctrine is superior to mine, seeing as how I hadn't seen the term in conversation until you brought it up. My understanding of the word implies that they believe that the gifts are gone for good. My own thought is that God the Holy Spirit is looking for just the right opportunity to bring them back...for good!

Edit To Add: Hence, my signature....

Gone for good as far as certain generations. But certainly could resume, and most cessationists believe they will resume in the last days. The 144 thousand for instance, will certainly be gifted with many gifts.

I'd be curious who you're getting your definitions from. Cessationists themselves or their detractors?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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