New Era SBC President: a Mix of Reformed Baptist, Charismaticism

[Rob_BW]

So, tongues is now more important than saying Allah is Jehovah?

Do you think the SBC is more in danger of turning pentecostal or muslim?

 

[Reynolds]

Agreed. This is why I can't figure it out. The former SBC president had a problem with calvinists. Oh well, as long as they know what they are doing to promote their convictions!!!

I would prefer he still be Calvinist. I respect Calvinist theology(not agree with) but I detest wishey washey theology.

 

[Reynolds]

Do you think the SBC is more in danger of turning pentecostal or muslim?

I don't think Charisma is a danger, I see it as a positive. I see abuses of Charisma as a danger. I see his error in mis-identifying who God is as being quite grave.

 

[Yeshua1]

So the answer, then, is "No;" you haven't read his book or more than the blurb in the linked article. Of course further context is needed. You're accusing a believer and seeking to cause division in doing so. Perhaps you're mad about Patterson and you're seeking retribution against Greear, I don't know. What I do know is that, without full and proper context, you're arguing against a strawman of your own creation.

It may very well be that Greear is wrong in his assessment. However, you are also in the wrong in what you are doing here.

The Archangel

The quotes seem to be pretty specific that the view being presented is that the Muslims know of the true God, but are iignorant of jesus as his Messiah.

 

[Yeshua1]

So, tongues is now more important than saying Allah is Jehovah?

No, one is error, the other is heresy!

 

[Yeshua1]

It simply means that we are both referring to the only, One deity when we say “God.”

That is what Greear said. He is totally wrong. It was linked above in Post # 67. I think that Greear is trying to hide this.

Three Christian Misconceptions About Muslims – Summit Life with J.D. Greear

IF that is indeed his view, that is a heresy

 

[Yeshua1]

So the answer, then, is "No;" you haven't read his book or more than the blurb in the linked article. Of course further context is needed. You're accusing a believer and seeking to cause division in doing so. Perhaps you're mad about Patterson and you're seeking retribution against Greear, I don't know. What I do know is that, without full and proper context, you're arguing against a strawman of your own creation.

It may very well be that Greear is wrong in his assessment. However, you are also in the wrong in what you are doing here.

The Archangel

If he holds to those views, do you think he would want to be really clear about them though?

 

[Yeshua1]

Of course the God of Christianity and the god of Islam are not one in the same. But you’re missing my point (and Greer’s too): A linguistic reference to Allah (which is the generic word for god in the Arabic language just as our word God is generic for God in English) does not mean one is actually referencing the false god of Islam.

The Archangel

Is he saying that Muslims do not view Allah as their name for God?
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[Yeshua1]

No. I didn't. I, and Paul, clearly stated that the God of the Jews is NOT the Triune God of the bible.

The above is one of the reasons I seldom respond to your nonsense. You can't seem to understand even the simplest sentences. Paul is clearly telling them that JESUS is LORD! By rejecting Him they reject God. There is no Godhead without Jesus!

the Yahweh that the OT scriptures talk of is NOT the God of the bible?
The Jews know of the real God, have his own Name, and yet still must believe in Jesus to be saved and to now in Covenant with him!

 

[Wingman68]

So the answer, then, is "No;" you haven't read his book or more than the blurb in the linked article. Of course further context is needed. You're accusing a believer and seeking to cause division in doing so. Perhaps you're mad about Patterson and you're seeking retribution against Greear, I don't know. What I do know is that, without full and proper context, you're arguing against a strawman of your own creation.

It may very well be that Greear is wrong in his assessment. However, you are also in the wrong in what you are doing here.

The Archangel

What he told his congregation in Feb of this year when he knew he wanted to assume the top position in an organization who they were not proud enough of to recognize that they were part of. Perhaps he can change that, you know how change is always good, right??

“The third question some of you asked is, ‘since when did we become Southern Baptists?’ I get that. That is not something we really wear on our sleeve here.”

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't think Charisma is a danger, I see it as a positive. I see abuses of Charisma as a danger. I see his error in mis-identifying who God is as being quite grave.

I would see Charasmatic Chaos a grave threat, such as word of faith, modern prophets/apostles, but if able to keep it under wraps so to speak... The
issue of Allah and Yahweh being same God much graver issue!

 

[Reynolds]

I would see Charasmatic Chaos a grave threat, such as word of faith, modern prophets/apostles, but if able to keep it under wraps so to speak... The
issue of Allah and Yahweh being same God much graver issue!

Even though it often does, Charisma does not have to lead to chaos.

 

[Yeshua1]

Even though it often does, Charisma does not have to lead to chaos.

True, but the Movement needs to pubically declare and put out of their midst the heretics such as Copeland, Hinn, and the gang!
And to renounce any so called Apostles/prophets for today....

 

[Calminian]

There are 3 compromises trending in the Church. Creation, Cessation, Love of Nation. All three have become politically incorrect. Most popular Christian leaders compromise on all 3.

 

[Yeshua1]

There are 3 compromises trending in the Church. Creation, Cessation, Love of Nation. All three have become politically incorrect. Most popular Christian leaders compromise on all 3.

Also add need to have women made equal to men in spiritual authority/leadership in church
And that whites have to be shamed into confessing mass guilt.

 

[Calminian]

Also add need to have women made equal to men in spiritual authority/leadership in church

Yep, that is a biggy. All of these are trending outside the Church, and the Church is following right after them. The American Church doesn't lead or influence anything these days.

 

[FollowTheWay]

There are 3 compromises trending in the Church. Creation, Cessation, Love of Nation. All three have become politically incorrect. Most popular Christian leaders compromise on all 3.

Love of nation is not and never was a Christian matter. That crept into the SBC with the fundamentalist takeover which resulted in an unBiblical blending of support for the Republican party and the Christian faith. Jesus said that He did not come to establish a Kingdom on Earth but rather a Heavenly Kingdom. Blending Church and state is akin to the view held by most Jews that the messiah would lead thm to a great military victory and re-establish israel as a worldly power. That's why they crusified Christ.

 

[The Archangel]

There are 3 compromises trending in the Church. Creation, Cessation, Love of Nation. All three have become politically incorrect. Most popular Christian leaders compromise on all 3.

I'm interested to hear you expand these thoughts.

The Archangel

 

[Calminian]

Love of nation is not and never was a Christian matter. T....

Taxes customs fear and honor. Romans 13:7

and Paul often referred to his Roman citizenship. He never renounced it.

Patriotism comes from Scripture, as does nationalism and borders, which are from God along with the governments that are sovereign over them. Globalism is the goal of the devil. He's been trying to unite the nations ever since Babel.

 

[Calminian]

I'm interested to hear you expand these thoughts.

The Archangel

Creation as in Genesis. Most Church don't take it literally anymore. Evolution is becoming mainstream.
Cessation as in modern sign gifts and modern revelation. The New Apostolic Reformation comes to mind, where they believe they have modern prophets and apostles. They don't really need scripture anymore.
And love of nation as in patriotism and nationalism, which come from Scripture. God divided the nations at Babel and man's been trying to unite them ever since. Globalism is Satan's tool to usher in all kinds of evil. God thwarted his plan and the Church seems more than willing to undo what God did.