IF he sees allah and Yahweh as being the same God, then Prophet Muhammed outranks Prophet Jesus!
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New Era SBC President: a Mix of Reformed Baptist, Charismaticism
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I am just taking him at his word, as his belief on Allah and Yahweh as being the very same God is dead wrong!
IF Allah and Yahwerh are the same God, then God Himself told us Muhhammed last and greatest prophet of His, outranks Jesus!
Is it okay to say to him that he is a progressive?
That's a personal question between you and God, to choose a wise course of action. Not me.
I was just voicing concern that the discussion about a church leader had turned into something disrespectful. I do think with interfaith and charismatic influences, he has some bad tendencies.
If he really sees Allah and Yahweh as being the same, themn he should not be either a pastor, nor president of the SBC!
Paul told some Greeks, "You have a shrine to an unknown god, let me tell you who this unknown God really is."
Greear suggests telling Muslims, "You say that you worship the God of Abraham, let me show you who that God really is."
Agree or disagree with the apologetic strategy, and some have raised valid concerns with it, but saying that he believes or teaches thatMohammed outranks Jesus sounds like slander to me.
IF he holds to Allah and Yahweh being the same God, than Muhammed would outrank Jesus in that view!
Ok, I reckon you can keep posting your reasoning, but I'll let Greear speak for himself.
Would you agree that IF he sees Allah and Yahweh as being same god, is dead wrong?
I don't believe that's what Greear is saying though. He seems making the case that the same god the Muslims worship is the same God that WE worship. He says they ARE worshiping the God of Abraham, not that they only claim to. He doesn't seem to be saying that Muslims are worshiping the wrong God. It looks like he's saying they're worshiping the right God, they just need to tweak their style.
That's like putting Muslims and Lutherans in the same box, by saying that they worship the same God, but we only disagree with their practices.
Here's Greear's way of saying this:
"The question is whether the presence of these heretical beliefs (and what degree of heresy in them) demands that we say, “You are worshipping[sic] a different God.”" - Greear
I would say that Baptists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Non-Denominational, Methodists, Amish, Mennonites, etc and SOME Catholics DO worship the same God we do as we all believe in the Trinity, and the basics of the Gospel [Jesus died, paid the price and rose again so that you and I could be Saved and that alone is sufficient].
However, Greear is saying that Baptists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Non-Denominational, Methodists, Amish, Mennonites etc, and some Catholics AND now Muslims are now all in the same group. That's a BIG step in the wrong direction. Why?
Because there are many such things as Saved Christians that are non-Baptists, such as those denominations above. There are not, however, such things as Saved Christians who are Islamists too. They are two completely separate groups and need to be kept apart. One group contains Saved folks, who may be misguided. One group contains completely lost folks.
It reminds me of Rick Warren/Pope working together to create Islamic/Christian theological Fellowship, and it smells of a One-World, syncretic religion.
I agree with you on this, Greear does not say this.
Thank you for the response, and I agree with much of what you wrote.
Honestly, I'm more concerned with the charismaticism and speaking in tongues quotes. At least with his muslim engagement the conversation is focusing on God, not the "hey everyone, look at what I can do" of the charismatics.
Wingman68,
In another thread you state you are leaving the SBC churches. Can you explain what led to this? I hope to learn from you or start a discussion.
In another thread you state you are leaving the SBC churches. Can you explain what led to this? I hope to learn from you or start a discussion.
What will your church do? Mine has so many rich people that they will keep paying. What other denomination is there? I don't want to send any money to the progressives, do you?
Yes, I saw that quote as well. I call these folks "Bapticostal". They're good folks, Christian Brothers for sure, I just don't always agree with 'em, and am not sure if a "Bapticostal" should be leading the SBC.
I am NOT, however, an SBC member, although I am most certainly in the Rural South. And as such the SBC is a big part of the culture/life whether you're part of it or not.
Also agree. I have no doubt he's a Brother, and am thankful for his focus on sending the Gospel to those who are lost. He and I can disagree on his methodology, but at the end of the day his work will probably spread the Gospel to more folks than I ever can.
The website of Calvinist fraternity 'The Gospel Coalition' has Greear explaining his belief that "Muslims worship the same God as Christians" to Lifeway bureaucrat Trevin Wax :
A Conversation with J.D. Greear
A Conversation with J.D. Greear
So true.
And eloquent.
I don't disrespect him but I do think that he is syncretistic, don't you? He doesn't need my money. Are you going to stay in the SBC?
So is the SBC going to recognize the perpetuity of spiritual gifts doctrinally?
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