Pay her back even as she has paid, and give back to her double according to her deeds; in the cup which she has mixed, mix twice as much for her [Revelation 18:6].
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New evidence suggests Charlottesville was a complete SET-UP
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Pay her back even as she has paid, and give back to her double according to her deeds; in the cup which she has mixed, mix twice as much for her [Revelation 18:6].
A prerogative that belongs to God.
What is the verb form?
Imperative but in the context of hyperbole. I don't read it as a command for us.
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Perhaps it is a matter of opinion, I consider throwing a biological item the same as a punch. My previous posts explain why. Just because it is done from a distance with a slingshot does not mean it's contents are not subject to entering your ears, mouth, and eyes (and some of the items do damage without needing to enter cavities).
You may not see it that way. I do.
There is a time and place for everything under the sun. The wisdom is in the knowing of when and where.
There is great wisdom in being slow to anger. But some things are so blatant in depravity that is does not take but a few seconds to understand it is a full frontal attack. The bombing of the World Trade Towers didn't take most people long to process for a reason.
Esther 9 .... what the Jews did to those that hated them and plotted to kill them, was it Retaliatory or defensive (or both)? What did God think of their actions?
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Nope, would be as White as snow!
I'd say the Esther violence was self defence since there was an ongoing threat to the Jewish people. It was also state mandated so not the sort of vigilantism described above
I don't know the facts yet. I heard on a Christian talk show that he was trying to leave the rally and he drove off into the crowd when his car started getting beat with bats. I don't know. I was not there. The news coverage is biased. Time will tell.I understand your reasoning, but there is still a requirement that response be somewhat proportionate to the offense.
I cannot think that this is proportionate in any way.
I have seen that. The best,g the car is supposed to have happened earlier.
So, calmly drive your car away from the rally and leave the area. Instead of barreling at speed into a crowd just turn off onto a side street and leave.
What does imperative mean?
I always wait for the entire story to make my determinations. That is the reason I was a successful investigator for 17 years. That is probably one reason I never lost one, not one, jury trial.
Old habits are hard to break.
I also learned that the media never accurately reports anything. Sometimes they are very close to accurate. Often times, they are 179 degrees off.
I only hope we GET the entire story. All the vehicle-terrorists in Europe hit people; the idiot in Charlottesville, whatever his intent, hit a car. My understanding, which may be in error of course, is that the 3rd car in the chain was the physical object which caused the fatality and most of the injuries, though the causation of the whole tragedy obviously was the driver of the car that started the crash. If his objective truly was to kill lots of people, it's a bit fortunate he was such an incompetent. (No comfort for the victims, of course.)
That's the right way to do it.
In this case, though, what more is there to see? The man drove his car down unoccupied streets for about two blocks, ignored side streets he could have turned off onto, and plowed into a crowd. I don't see how having his car being hit with baseball bats warrants running over people at speed.
Seriously ? What would you do if several people were hitting your car with hats ? I'd have no trouble running them over. And I'd do it while reaching for Mr. Springfield Armory.
I'm not sure if this happened in Charlottesville or not. But if it did it does add another wrinkle, yes, in the white supremist's favor.
If he was facing no physical threat at all then his actions are impossible to justify. If he was in actual danger, that should be considered in trial.
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It probably does not, but we will not know that until the case is adjudicated. Self defense has levels of justification. It can be a blatant case of self defense where a person is not charged with a crime. It can be a grey area of self defense where the person is charged and self defense is entered as an affirmative defense.
You have to also keep in mind that some people lose their ability to think clearly once their "flight or fight response" has been triggered.
I was ambushed and hit in the head with a PlayStation. The original one, heavy as a brick. The next thing I remember was long after backup arrived. I had a concussion, they originally thought skull fracture, some bruises, scrapes, etc. He was messed up pretty good. I had him in cuffs when backup got there, but don't remember anything past the initial blackout. His mother said that I beat him pretty good with the baton but she said he was fighting the whole time. She said I quit using the baton when I finally got him on the ground. I don't remember any of it.
Original call was he hit her with a broom handle.
He was convicted of aggravated assault on a peace officer and a list of lesser charges. I believe he got 20 years plus about 15 more years consecutive. The 20 was a 90% mandatory. He will serve 27 to 30 years.
It is unreasonable to expect a person to make the best choices under some circumstances. Once you trigger someone's extreme fight or flight response, realize that you will probably not receive an equally measured response.
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An extravagant exaggeration.
IF it is a hyperbole, then as it says to "pay her back double," how much in fact? Half as much?-- We obviously don't come out ahead that way. Even up?-- twice would not be a hyperbole, then. Just how much?
And is it an instruction to us ? What is the context? Is it a rhetorical device? What is the literary genre?
More questions than answers here...
More questions than answers here...