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George Antonios

George Antonios

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Is 1.9 quoted in Ro 9.29
By hearing ye shall hear, and in no wise understand
Is 6.9-10 quoted in Mt 13.14-15 and Mk 4.12
By hearing ye shall hear, and in no wise understand
Is 6.9-10 quoted in Ac 28.26-27
Lest they should see with their eyes ... and I should heal them
Is 6.9-10 quoted in John 12.40
Behold, the virgin shall be with child
Is 7.14 quoted in Mt. 1.23
I will put my trust in him
Is 8.17 quoted in He 2.13
It is the remnant that shall be saved
Is 10.22-23 quoted in Ro 9.27-28
On him shall the Gentiles hope
Is 11.10 quoted in Ro 15.12
When I shall take away their sins
Is 27.9 quoted in Ro 11.27
He that believeth on him shall not be put to shame
Is 28.16 quoted in Ro 9.33, 10.11 and 1 Pe 2.6
Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men
Is 29.13 quoted in Mt 15.8-9 and Mk 7.6-7
I will destroy the wisdom of the wise
Is 29.14 quoted in 1 Cor 1.19
All flesh shall see the salvation of God
Is 40.3-5 quoted in Lk 3.4-6
The voice of one crying in the wilderness
Is 40.3 quoted in Mt 3.3, Mk 1.3 and Jn 1.23
All flesh is as grass
Is 40.6-8 quoted in 1 Pt 1.24-25
Who hath known the mind of the Lord?
Is 40.13 quoted in Ro 11.34 and 1 Cor 2.16
And in his name shall the Gentiles hope
Is 42.4 quoted in Mt 12.21
A people for God's own possession
Is 43.21 quoted in 1 Pe 2.9
To me every knee shall bow
Is 45.23 quoted in Ro 14.11
At an acceptable time I hearkened unto thee
Is 49.8 quoted in 2 Cor 6.2
For the name of God is blasphemed
among the Gentiles because of you
Is 52.5 quoted in Ro 2.24
They shall see, to whom no tidings of him came
Is 52.15 quoted in Ro 15.21
Who has believed our report?
Is 53.1 quoted in Jn 12.38 and Ro 10.16
He was led as a sheep to the slaughter
Is 53.7-8 quoted in Ac 8.32-33
Neither was guile found in his mouth
Is 53.9 quoted in 1 Pt 2.22
Rejoice thou barren that bearest not
Is 54.1 quoted in Ga 4.27
The holy and sure blessings of David
Is 55.3 quoted in Ac 13.34
To set at liberty them that are bruised
Is 58.6 in Luke 4.18
He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob
Is 59.20-21 quoted in Ro 11.26-27
Spirit of the Lord is upon me
Is 61.1-2 quoted in Lk 4.18-19
I was found of them that sought me not
Is 65.1 quoted in Ro 10.20
A disobedient and gainsaying people
Is 65.2 quoted in Ro 10.21
Behold, the days come
Jer 31.31-34 quoted in He 8.8-12
I will put my laws on their heart
Jer 31.33-34 quoted in He 10.16-17
I will call that my people, which was not my people
Ho 2.23 quoted in Ro 9.25
I desire mercy, and not sacrifice
Ho 6.6 quoted in Mt 9.13 and 12.7
O death, where is thy sting?
Ho 13.14 quoted in 1 Cor 15.55
I will pour forth of my Spirit upon all flesh
Jl 2.28-32 quoted in Ac 2.17-21
Ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch
Am 5.25-27 quoted in Ac 7.42-43
I will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen
Am 9.11-12 quoted in Ac 15.16-17
For I work a work in your days,
which ye shall in no wise believe
Hab 1.5 quoted in Ac 13.41

But my righteous one shall live by faith
Hab 2.3-4 quoted in He 10.37-38

You've got much bigger problems than Easter in the KJB my friend.
 
AVL1984

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SavedByGrace said:
whats up with you??? HOW can getting the right meaning of what the Bible says, dumb???

Christians do say the DUMBEST things some times :eek:
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You've just proven that. Thanks. It's never wrong to strive for correct interpretation. That said, many people don't have access to nor the understanding of the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic, thus the ENGLISH Bible's necessity. Those people really don't care much about the underlying texts, especially when nobody has the autographs! Now, that's not necessarily my position, but, it is a common one.
 
robycop3

robycop3

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George Antonios said:
If you believe (the dubious claim) that the Lord and the apostles were quoting the Septuagint, how do you explain this?
Occasions where The Septuagint Is Supposedly Quoted in the New Testament differently than the sense of the Hebrew text
Enoch was not, because God translated him
Gen 5.24 quoted in Heb 11.5
To thy seed
Gen 12.7 quoted in Ga 3.16
Jacob ... worshipped, leaning on the top of his staff
Gen 47.31 quoted in Heb 11.21
Wouldest thou kill me, as thou killest the Egyptian yesterday?
Ex 2.14 quoted in Ac 7.27-28
My name might be published abroad in all the earth
Ex 9.16 quoted in Ro 9.17
A royal priesthood
Ex 19.6 quoted in 1 Pe 2.9
The Lord knoweth them that are his
Nu 16.5 quoted in 2 Tm 2.19
Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God
Dt 6.13 quoted in Mt 4.10 and Lk 4.8
Put away the wicked man from among yourselves
Dt 17.7 quoted in 1 Cor 5.13
Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree
Dt 21.23 quoted in Ga 3.13
Cursed is everyone who continueth not
Dt 27.26 quoted in Ga 3.10
Let all the angels of God worship him
Dt 32.43 quoted in He 1.6
Why did the Gentiles rage?
Ps 2.1-2 quoted in Ac 4.25-26
Their throat is an open sepulchre
Ps 5.9 quoted in Ro 3.13
Out of the mouth of babes
Ps 8.2 quoted in Mt 21.16
What is man, that thou art mindful of him?
Ps 8.4-6 quoted in He 2.6-8
Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness
Ps 10.7 quoted in Ro 3.14
They are together become unprofitable
Ps 14.1-3 quoted in Ro 3.10-12
Thou wilt not leave my soul unto Hades
Ps 16.8-11 quoted in Ac 2.25-28
Their sound went out into all the earth
Ps 19.4 quoted in Ro 10.18
I will declare thy name unto my brethren
Ps 22.22 quoted in He 2.12
Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not
Ps 40.6-8 quoted in He 10.5-6
That thou mightest be justified in thy words
Ps 51.4 quoted in Ro 3.4
They are together become unprofitable
Ps 53.1-3 quoted in Ro 3.10-12
Let their table be made a snare
Ps 69.22-23 quoted in Ro 11.9-10
He gave them bread out of heaven to eat
Ps 78.24 quoted in Jn 6.31
Today, if ye shall hear his voice
Ps 95.7-8 quoted in He 3.15 and He 4.7
Today, if ye shall hear his voice
Ps 95.7-11 quoted in He 3.7-11
And they all shall wax old as doth a garment
Ps 102.25-27 quoted in He 1.10-12
I believed, and therefore did I speak
Ps 116.10 quoted in 2 Cor 4.13
The Lord is my helper
Ps 118.6 quoted in He 13.6
The poison of asps in under their lips
Ps 140.3 quoted in Ro 3.13
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth
Pr 3.11-12 quoted in He 12.5-6
God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace to the humble
Pr 3.34 quoted in James 4.6 and 1 Pe 5.5
And if the righteous is scarcely saved,
where shall the ungodly and sinner appear
Pr 11.31 quoted in 1 Pe 4.18
If thine enemy hunger, feed him
Pr 25.21-22 quoted in Ro 12.20
Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed,
we should have been as Sodom
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I see you've given up on the Easter thingie, as well you should, because you've lost that "argument". Thus, you bring up something I hadn't discussed recently. But I'll play the "Septuagint" game for now.

Please compare Isaiah 42:7 & 61:1-3 from any version you like with what Jesus read aloud in the synagogue in Luke 4:16-21, & compare it with the Septuagint. While not an exact match, you should find Jesus' reading is much-closer to the S than it is to the Masoretic Text. The late Dr. Thomas Cassidy, an astute historian & former Admin. here, believed Jesus was reading from a vorlage copy of Isaiah, origin unknown.

But remember, JESUS called it "this Scripture", which makes it official, vorlage or not, Septuagint or not.
 
George Antonios

George Antonios

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robycop3 said:
I see you've given up on the Easter thingie, as well you should, because you've lost that "argument". Thus, you bring up something I hadn't discussed recently. But I'll play the "Septuagint" game for now.

Please compare Isaiah 42:7 & 61:1-3 from any version you like with what Jesus read aloud in the synagogue in Luke 4:16-21, & compare it with the Septuagint. While not an exact match, you should find Jesus' reading is much-closer to the S than it is to the Masoretic Text. The late Dr. Thomas Cassidy, an astute historian & former Admin. here, believed Jesus was reading from a vorlage copy of Isaiah, origin unknown.

But remember, JESUS called it "this Scripture", which makes it official, vorlage or not, Septuagint or not.
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My post was the continuation of the Easter "thingie".
I will formulate my implied point this time:
If you contend that Easter is to be rejected because it is not contained in the written thoughts of the author, then you must also contend that the Septuagint renderings of the Old Testament must be rejected on the same grounds.
 
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JesusFan

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Logos1560 said:
Easter is only an acceptable possible rendering at Acts 12:4 if it is understood to mean "the passover", which is the meaning for how the word was used in the pre-1611 English Bibles.

If Easter is advocated to mean a pagan festival or to mean a Christian celebration of the resurrection, it would be an incorrect rendering at Acts 12:4 according to the context. Herod proceeded to take a further action to please the Jews by waiting until after the Jewish passover which included the seven days of unleavened bread.

Passover is the better rendering since it does not leave open the possibility of the incorrect understandings advocated by some KJV-only advocates.
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It would have to be translated based upon how those first reading it would have taken it to be meaning!
 
robycop3

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George Antonios said:
Is 1.9 quoted in Ro 9.29
By hearing ye shall hear, and in no wise understand
Is 6.9-10 quoted in Mt 13.14-15 and Mk 4.12
By hearing ye shall hear, and in no wise understand
Is 6.9-10 quoted in Ac 28.26-27
Lest they should see with their eyes ... and I should heal them
Is 6.9-10 quoted in John 12.40
Behold, the virgin shall be with child
Is 7.14 quoted in Mt. 1.23
I will put my trust in him
Is 8.17 quoted in He 2.13
It is the remnant that shall be saved
Is 10.22-23 quoted in Ro 9.27-28
On him shall the Gentiles hope
Is 11.10 quoted in Ro 15.12
When I shall take away their sins
Is 27.9 quoted in Ro 11.27
He that believeth on him shall not be put to shame
Is 28.16 quoted in Ro 9.33, 10.11 and 1 Pe 2.6
Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men
Is 29.13 quoted in Mt 15.8-9 and Mk 7.6-7
I will destroy the wisdom of the wise
Is 29.14 quoted in 1 Cor 1.19
All flesh shall see the salvation of God
Is 40.3-5 quoted in Lk 3.4-6
The voice of one crying in the wilderness
Is 40.3 quoted in Mt 3.3, Mk 1.3 and Jn 1.23
All flesh is as grass
Is 40.6-8 quoted in 1 Pt 1.24-25
Who hath known the mind of the Lord?
Is 40.13 quoted in Ro 11.34 and 1 Cor 2.16
And in his name shall the Gentiles hope
Is 42.4 quoted in Mt 12.21
A people for God's own possession
Is 43.21 quoted in 1 Pe 2.9
To me every knee shall bow
Is 45.23 quoted in Ro 14.11
At an acceptable time I hearkened unto thee
Is 49.8 quoted in 2 Cor 6.2
For the name of God is blasphemed
among the Gentiles because of you
Is 52.5 quoted in Ro 2.24
They shall see, to whom no tidings of him came
Is 52.15 quoted in Ro 15.21
Who has believed our report?
Is 53.1 quoted in Jn 12.38 and Ro 10.16
He was led as a sheep to the slaughter
Is 53.7-8 quoted in Ac 8.32-33
Neither was guile found in his mouth
Is 53.9 quoted in 1 Pt 2.22
Rejoice thou barren that bearest not
Is 54.1 quoted in Ga 4.27
The holy and sure blessings of David
Is 55.3 quoted in Ac 13.34
To set at liberty them that are bruised
Is 58.6 in Luke 4.18
He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob
Is 59.20-21 quoted in Ro 11.26-27
Spirit of the Lord is upon me
Is 61.1-2 quoted in Lk 4.18-19
I was found of them that sought me not
Is 65.1 quoted in Ro 10.20
A disobedient and gainsaying people
Is 65.2 quoted in Ro 10.21
Behold, the days come
Jer 31.31-34 quoted in He 8.8-12
I will put my laws on their heart
Jer 31.33-34 quoted in He 10.16-17
I will call that my people, which was not my people
Ho 2.23 quoted in Ro 9.25
I desire mercy, and not sacrifice
Ho 6.6 quoted in Mt 9.13 and 12.7
O death, where is thy sting?
Ho 13.14 quoted in 1 Cor 15.55
I will pour forth of my Spirit upon all flesh
Jl 2.28-32 quoted in Ac 2.17-21
Ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch
Am 5.25-27 quoted in Ac 7.42-43
I will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen
Am 9.11-12 quoted in Ac 15.16-17
For I work a work in your days,
which ye shall in no wise believe
Hab 1.5 quoted in Ac 13.41

But my righteous one shall live by faith
Hab 2.3-4 quoted in He 10.37-38

You've got much bigger problems than Easter in the KJB my friend.
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If the KJB observe Easter, wonder what Putin thinks of that?
 
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JesusFan

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Logos1560 said:
You may say it, but you do not prove it to be true. There is historical evidence from the 1600's that indicated that the KJV translators choose to stick with the 1560 Geneva Bible's accurate rendering "the passover" at Acts 12:4, but that a Church of England prelate changed the choice of the KJV translators to Easter. You merely assume or presume that you are supposedly defending the choice of the KJV translators, but you do not prove it to be their actual choice.

It is not faithful and accurate to the context to say that king Herod who proceeded to take an additional action that would please the Jews would supposedly honor a Christian celebration of the resurrection for the Christians whom he was persecuting.
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Think that this is another example where the theology of the Anglican Church overrode their translation choices!
 
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JesusFan

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SavedByGrace said:
dude, PLEASE! In verse one there is only the ONE article in the Greek with the two nouns, meaning ONE PERSON.

In verse 2 each noun has the definite article, meaning TWO PERSONS!

I thought you were Greek?
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Refers to Jesus being both Great God and savior, if the Kjv knew of the Granville Sharp rule, they would have translated it as MV have!
 
J

JesusFan

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Logos1560 said:
The KJV itself affirmed that "our God and Saviour" is accurate and faithful to the Greek NT by its own rendering "our Lord and Saviour" at 2 Peter 1:11. Would KJV-only advocates suggest that the KJV is inaccurate in its rendering of 2 Peter 1:11?

At its note for 2 Peter 1:1, the Reformation Heritage KJV Study Bible noted: “Literally, ‘our God and Savior, Jesus Christ,‘ describing one divine person--the same Greek phrase appears in v. 11, but with ‘Lord” in place of ‘God.‘ Christ is Lord and God (John 1:1; 20:28; Rom. 9:5)“ (p. 1829). James Scholefield maintained that this verse has “the same construction as in verse 11” where it was rendered in the KJV as “of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” (Hints, p. 157). A. T. Robertson wrote: “In 2 Peter 1:11 and 3:18, the pronoun ’our’ comes after ’Lord,’ but that makes no difference in the idiom. It is ’our Lord and Saviour,’ and it is so translated in the English versions. But we have precisely the same idiom in 2 Peter 1:1, ’our God and Saviour Jesus Christ’” (The Minister, p. 63). Robertson asserted: “The idiom compels the translation, ’our God and Saviour Jesus Christ” (p. 64). Concerning 2 Peter 1:1, Ralph Wardlaw noted in 1815: “An instance of construction, in every respect the same, occurs at the eleventh verse of this same chapter” (Discourses, p. 75). Wardlaw asserted: “It is just as improper to render the words in the first verse, ‘through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ,‘ (unless the appellations ‘God and our Saviour’ be understood as both connecting with ‘Jesus Christ’) as it would be to render those in this verse [1:11] ‘in the kingdom of the Lord and our Saviour Jesus Christ’” (p. 76).

Do KJV-only advocates oppose the same measures and principles being applied to 2 Peter 1:1 as would be applied to 2 Peter 1:11?
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Very strange that the Holy Spirit did not reveal to them the future Granville Sharp rule, or else inspired them to agree with MV here!
 
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