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[Alcott]

No - He wasn’t joking because, once again – He backs it up elsewhere...

You're doing what a lot of people do; and on these boards we have them from time to time. Recently it has been a couple of 7th day adventists, to whom we can point out Romans 14:5-6 and Colossians 2:16 to show christians are not obligated to a sabbath day, so they have crates of scripture and commentary (apologetics course?) they think show those verses don't mean what they say, or it is only special bonus sabbaths; anything to make the verses fit what they've made their minds up on. But when I see that, I ignore it, and so I do yours. And you are both just arbitrary as to what is literal, metaphorical, or figurative, and both eisegetic.

 

[utilyan]

I have no idea what you are even trying to say here.


I am saying that just like in John 2 people did not understand what he meant in John 6. And, just like in John 2, in John 6 he did not correct their understanding.

WHERE in JOHN 6. Does Jesus give any symbolism to DYING? Put a bible verse down for crying out loud.

Also now you are switching the story to "Correct their understanding" What WRONG understanding did they have?

What is the "HARD understanding"

give me any source that has your same understanding.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[Reformed1689]

WHERE in JOHN 6. Does Jesus give any symbolism to DYING? Put a bible verse down for crying out loud.

Also now you are switching the story to "Correct their understanding" What WRONG understanding did they have?

What is the "HARD understanding"

give me any source that has your same understanding.

Where does it say we are eating literal flesh and blood? Give a Bible verse that doesn't show obvious metaphor and symbolism. Why is this "I am" statement suddenly different and literal where the others are not?

 

[Adonia]

Again, your argument doesn't hold water.

1. I am the Vine - Not literal
2. I am the gate/door - not literal
3. I am the shepherd of sheep - not literal
4. I am the bread - LITERAL.

This is nonsense and dishonest biblical interpretation.

You folks claim to love Jesus so much and if this was so you would want to get as close to Him as you could. Good heavens, you should be running to the nearest Catholic or Eastern Orthodox church to receive Him in Holy Communion, but instead you keep Him at arms length with your claim of the Holy Eucharist as just symbolism.

I can understand why the pulpit is the highlight of your worship, because your "communion" means nothing because in the end it is nothing. Sad, how so very sad for those who claim to love Jesus.

 

[utilyan]

Where does it say we are eating literal flesh and blood? Give a Bible verse that doesn't show obvious metaphor and symbolism. Why is this "I am" statement suddenly different and literal where the others are not?

I asked you first. So here:

55“For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

You'd have to be an idiot to conclude FAKE FOOD and FAKE DRINK.

You keep running away from this, Where does Jesus give any symbolism to his death in John 6.

If he was hinting he had to die Peter would have objected exactly like he does LATER. And scripture plainly says this is where Jesus reveals he will die.


This is when he reveals he will die NOT John 6.

Matthew 17
21From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day. 22Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to You.” 23But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.”

And even after declaring he must die.....no one leaves.

Its not a tall order i'm saying show us where in scripture he hints at his death in John 6.

 

[Reformed1689]

You keep running away from this, Where does Jesus give any symbolism to his death in John 6.

It's clearly understood when you read the whole book of John. Not to mention it is absurd to think he would be saying you would eat actual flesh and drink actual blood since that is against God's laws.

If he was hinting he had to die Peter would have objected exactly like he does LATER. And scripture plainly says this is where Jesus reveals he will die.

That assumes that Peter understood exactly what Jesus was saying.

This is when he reveals he will die NOT John 6.

Yet he had already alluded to it in John 2. So you are wrong there.

And even after declaring he must die.....no one leaves.

No true disciple left in John 6 either.

Its not a tall order i'm saying show us where in scripture he hints at his death in John 6.

It's not a tall order to ask you to understand symbolism either.

 

[Reformed1689]

the Holy Eucharist as just symbolism.

BECAUSE THAT IS ALL IT IS

 

[Reformed1689]

I can understand why the pulpit is the highlight of your worship, because your "communion" means nothing because in the end it is nothing. Sad, how so very sad for those who claim to love Jesus.

Strawman. Communion absolutely means something. But we aren't cannibals.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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