No - He is not "disguised" as anything.
How difficult is this for you to understand??
The Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ.
That is the most explicit description I can give you.
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How difficult is this for you to understand??
The Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ.
That is the most explicit description I can give you.
Reformed1689
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I'm sure you were probably invited by @Deadworm
Reformed1689
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Yes or no. Physical literal flesh, physical literal blood. Yes or no.
Then you are in a distinct minority of the membership. It's called footnoting. 'Sides copy and pasting a whole article could be considered copyright infringement.
Are you being purposely obtuse - or are you really this dense??
I explained to you that we receive Him SACRAMENTALLY under the appearance of bread and wine - but we consume Him BODY, BLOOD SOUL and DIVINITY.
If you have to ask again - you really need to go back to school . . .
Reformed1689
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Yes or no. Why will you not give a simple yes or no?
That's why I don't paste others' work. I put it into my own words.
Reformed1689
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Then you are just being stubborn if you refuse to read the links and try to comment on the post without reading material.
Like I said - I have answered you more than THREE times already.
This is getting stupid.
What you want me to say is that we feast on an arm or a leg at mass. That is not the case - but you already know that. You're just being difficult.
When we consume the Eucharist, we are consuming the SAME Christ that walked the earth, died for our sins, rose from the dead and ascended to the Father and sits at His right hand.
Reformed1689
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So it is cannibalism. And what happens after you cannibalize Christ? And what happens to Him in Heaven?
No - you're being lazy for not summarizing your source material.
That's what ALL good debater do.
Reformed1689
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Actually, in the other thread I started, in this forum so you can respond, I DID SUMMARIZE IT.
It's not cannibalism.
We consume Him sacramentally. Cannibalism would be if we ripped off an arm and ate it.
The Eucharist is transformed into His Body and Blood. It didn't start out that way/
THANK YOU for blessing me with the same slur that the pagan Romans gave the Early Christians.
"Cannibal" . . . I like that.
Reformed1689
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There is nothing, NOTHING in Scripture that states this in any way or fashion. So it is mysteriously transformed in the stomach, and then what? What happens to it then? Does it become waste? Does it mysteriously disappear again? So if, upon eating it, someone immediately died, an autopsy would find human flesh and blood in their stomach?
That’s sooooo far out in left field that it doesn’t ... oh, never mind.
You do understand that this is a denominational board. So, I advise not putting your feet up on the furniture.
David is simply embracing the well-documented first-century mocking pagan slander that Christians were "cannibals" and therefore "haters" of the human race, and those charges justified Nero's mass torture murders of Christians in the pagan Roman mind. As a Pentecostal Methodist, I myself don't believe in the underlying Thomistic Aristotelian metaphysics of the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation. But I much prefer the spirituality of this Catholic doctrine to the dumbed down Baptist doctrine of a merely symbolic Holy Communion. My first church upset me with their longstanding practice of celebrating Holy Communion only 4 times a year. I insisted that they have Communion at least once a month, and they grumbled that Communion would then be a dull, empty, and merely symbolic ritual. The high Catholic reverence for the sacraments illustrates their desire to be viscerally engaged with the truth of Christ's atoning sacrifice each week. It is that special reverence that has draw Evangelicals from their churches in my town to the local Catholic church, where, at last, they find the crucified and risen Christ real in the Eucharist.
Most evangelicals fail to grasp the need to experience an intimate connection with Christ through Eucharistic participation. They don't realize that the right expectation from this holy act renews their ability to "abide in me, and I in them (John 6:55-56):"
"My flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them."
An evangelical attitude that trivializes Communion as a merely symbolic act leaves them open to participating in Communion in "an unworthy manner" that disrespects the Lord's presence in this sacramental act:
"Whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord!...For all who eat and drink without discerning the body at and drink judgment against themselves. For this reason, many of you are weak and ill, and some have died (1 Corinthians 11:27, 29-30)."
The divine judgment for a cavalier attitude towards the Eucharist can be severe because the participants are not discerning body of the crucified Christ through their harmonious discernment of the earthly manifestation of Christ's body, the church.
Reformed1689
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Really? Do this in REMEMBRANCE of me, suggests a symbol is all it is.
Apparently you don't have the capacity to understand "under the appearance of bread and wine".
I've tried explaining it several times now but you just can't seem to grasp it . . .
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