New variant C.1.2 mutant most infectious yet and may evade vaccines

[Scott Downey]

New Covid variant detected in South Africa is the 'most mutated variant so far' | Daily Mail Online

Now present in England.

• C.1.2 strain linked with 'increased transmissibility' and 'could be more infectious'
• Variant first detected in South Africa and also been found in England and China
• New strain has a mutation rate of about 41.8 mutations per year, scientists say

It is doing exactly what the warnings of virologists have been saying, that vaccination in an epidemic drives viral mutations and that corona viruses mutate to evade vaccines.

While more research is required 'to determine the functional impact of these mutations', scientists warned the latest variant, which has 'mutated substantially', could help the virus evade antibodies and immune responses.

If true, the entire vaccination effort is for naught. Now a natural immunity would be better to have had developed by your immune system rather than a manufactured immune response to a single spike protein. I expect they will now develop a new vaccine and revaccinate all the vaccinated.
the virus will continue to fractionate into many different variants, so this cycle will not stop, just like the flu, and the bodies of people will continually be loaded with new varieties of mRNA from new vaccines.

 

[Reynolds]

New Covid variant detected in South Africa is the 'most mutated variant so far' | Daily Mail Online

Now present in England.

• C.1.2 strain linked with 'increased transmissibility' and 'could be more infectious'
• Variant first detected in South Africa and also been found in England and China
• New strain has a mutation rate of about 41.8 mutations per year, scientists say

It is doing exactly what the warnings of virologists have been saying, that vaccination in an epidemic drives viral mutations and that corona viruses mutate to evade vaccines.

While more research is required 'to determine the functional impact of these mutations', scientists warned the latest variant, which has 'mutated substantially', could help the virus evade antibodies and immune responses.

I That is what the doctors I listen to have been telling us all along.

 

[JonC]

It will be interesting. Reports show current vaccines are less effective and natural immunity nonexistant. Getting ready for round 2....or is it 3?

 

[JonC]

I That is what the doctors I listen to have been telling us all along.

Yep. The varient was first found about 4 months ago. I suspect more variants are to follow.

 

[Reynolds]

Yep. The varient was first found about 4 months ago. I suspect more variants are to follow.

The vaccines are driving the variant. If you mess with nature, you better know exactly what you are doing.
I think it's unfortunate, but the only way to beat Covid is natural herd immunity.
India has taken that approach and seems to be faring much better than we are. Their deaths plummeted when they shifted focus away from vax and to treatment.

 

[JonC]

The vaccines are driving the variant. If you mess with nature, you better know exactly what you are doing.
I think it's unfortunate, but the only way to beat Covid is natural herd immunity.
India has taken that approach and seems to be faring much better than we are. Their deaths plummeted when they shifted focus away from vax and to treatment.

Nah. Most of Africa is not vaccinated and we knew there would be variants. In fact, we had variants before we had a vaccine. That is how it works.

India is estimated to have had over 4,000,000 covid deaths (about 20% more than the 400,000 they had previously reported). Just "let nature take its course" is well and good....unless you're one of the ones under the wheel.

The idea of heard immunity is very questionable. By the time populations are killed off you have several varients. That is what viruses typically do.

 

[Reynolds]

Nah. Most of Africa is not vaccinated and we knew there would be variants. In fact, we had variants before we had a vaccine. That is how it works.

India is estimated to have had over 4,000,000 covid deaths (about 20% more than the 400,000 they had previously reported). Just "let nature take its course" is well and good....unless you're one of the ones under the wheel.

The idea of heard immunity is very questionable. By the time populations are killed off you have several varients. That is what viruses typically do.

The high number is speculation. W H O has it in for them because they won't follow orders. Have to make them look bad.

 

[Scott Downey]

yes, corona virus mutates regardless of vaccines. but it also mutates in response to vaccines. In life these things virus and bacteria, mutate to adapt and survive.
A vaccine is another environmental challenge to a virus.

And by the time you hear of it, it has already been circulating for months.
Special tests have to be done to determine nucleotide sequencing to identify a variant, it is not routinely done for patients..

The flu virus also mutates and evades vaccines and people are not forced to be flu vaccinated, neither should they be forcibly vaccinated for covid.

 

[JonC]

The high number is speculation. W H O has it in for them because they won't follow orders. Have to make them look bad.

The high number is indeed speculation, but that the number reported is low is not.

It is based on "on the ground" data of a few locations. Locations had 20% more covid deaths than were officially disclosed. So the numbers are really unknown. If the lower than real numbers are consistent over India, then the true numbers are 10 to 20% higher. But it is speculation that reporting lower numbers happened everywhere.

 

[JonC]

@Reynolds ,

I am not sure you noticed, the delta varient started in India.

Here is information about viruses, variants, and strains you may find interesting:

Why Viruses Mutate, Explained by an Infectious Disease Expert

 

[percho]

revaccinate all the vaccinated

Good luck with convincing them of this.

You know the old fool me once, fool me twice thing.

 

[percho]

Should the invertors of the bioweapon be responsible for the variants?

 

[JonC]

I doubt many who were vaccinated would shy away from additional vaccines. We were told to expect something like a flu shot to account for changes and the time frame of effectiveness.

The variants are coming from countries with very low vaccine rates and not places with high vacvine rates. It will continue to change.

 

[Reynolds]

The high number is indeed speculation, but that the number reported is low is not.

It is based on "on the ground" data of a few locations. Locations had 20% more covid deaths than were officially disclosed. So the numbers are really unknown. If the lower than real numbers are consistent over India, then the true numbers are 10 to 20% higher. But it is speculation that reporting lower numbers happened everywhere.

How does 10 percent or 20 percent higher get 400,000 to 4 million?

 

[Reynolds]

@Reynolds ,

I am not sure you noticed, the delta varient started in India.

Here is information about viruses, variants, and strains you may find interesting:

Why Viruses Mutate, Explained by an Infectious Disease Expert

I am well aware where Delta was found. We have no idea where it started.

 

[JonC]

How does 10 percent or 20 percent higher get 400,000 to 4 million?

My bad. I meant 20% higher on the ground and an estimated 10x the reported rate.

 

[JonC]

I am well aware where Delta was found. We have no idea where it started.

This is not true. We do have an idea where it originated (read the posted article about mutations and varients). It is not too hard (supposedly) to track where various mutations occurred and therefore where the varient began (that is how we know the latest one originated in Africa).

 

[JonC]

This is why people take covid seriously.

https://www.thestate.com/news/coronavirus/article253540149.html

Despite 'Breakthrough' COVID, Almost All Georgia Cases And Deaths Are Among Unvaccinated

94% of Alabama COVID-19 deaths among unvaccinated

Report: 13-year-old dies in sleep after getting COVID-19 vaccine; CDC investigating | WFLA

COVID-19 Vaccination Considerations for Persons with Underlying Medica

Regardless of whether one chooses to be vaccinated it is a serious issue.

 

[Andre]

The vaccines are driving the variant.

Please cite your sources.

 

[just-want-peace]

Can anyone find a purely medical study that is obviously sans political influence??

Personally, I cannot interpret a “medical” report on this bug, so I would need an interpretation into laymen's terms, & right now I have NO idea who to trust for such.

I would trust my Dr., but he has to get his info from somewhere, & if it came from Faucci (sp?) might as well read the comlcs! If from the CDC, need to factor in the politics, & who is qualified for that.

IOW, it seems to me that, as far as covid is concerned, we are in the “Abandon all hope ye who enter” stage.