saturneptune
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So does this new version meet the high threshold standards of your approval?
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New version: The Kingdom New Testament
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Many pastors carefully work with the original text, making their own translation before reading the work of others.
I believe this translation is a result of N. T. Wright's preaching and his commentary, the "Everyone" series, designed to introduce the scriptures to "people who wouldn’t normally read a book with footnotes and Greek words in it."
His translation work was originally was originally designed to be read alongside his commentary
Rob
I believe this translation is a result of N. T. Wright's preaching and his commentary, the "Everyone" series, designed to introduce the scriptures to "people who wouldn’t normally read a book with footnotes and Greek words in it."
His translation work was originally was originally designed to be read alongside his commentary
Rob
No,it is not an expanded kind of translation like Wuest's or the Amplified.
1 Peter
1:13 : So fasten your belts --the belts of your minds!
1:14 : don't be squashed into the shape of the passions you used to indulge when you were still in ignorance.
1:20 : He was destined for this from before the foundation of the world.
2:1 : long for the spiritual milk,the real stuff,not watered down.
3:21 : That functions as a signpost for you,pointing to baptism
4:1 : you too must equip yourselves with the same mental armor.
5:9 : staying resolute in your faith
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He did a fine job with this book. But three times he used the word rescue,when salvation would have been more appropriate.
1:13 : So fasten your belts --the belts of your minds!
1:14 : don't be squashed into the shape of the passions you used to indulge when you were still in ignorance.
1:20 : He was destined for this from before the foundation of the world.
2:1 : long for the spiritual milk,the real stuff,not watered down.
3:21 : That functions as a signpost for you,pointing to baptism
4:1 : you too must equip yourselves with the same mental armor.
5:9 : staying resolute in your faith
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He did a fine job with this book. But three times he used the word rescue,when salvation would have been more appropriate.
2 Peter
1:16 : we were eyewitnesses of his grandeur.
2:16 : spoke in a human voice to stop the prophet's madness in its tracks.
2:18 : They utter bombastic words of folly
3:9 : The Lord is not delaying his promise,in the way that some reckon delay
3:17 : fall away from your own solid grounding
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He did well in this book. The only times I differed with him was in 2:13a where he said:"They commit injustice,and receive injustice as their reward.' And in 3:18 where he has it rendered "when God's new age dawns." instead where eternity would have been quite suitable.
1:16 : we were eyewitnesses of his grandeur.
2:16 : spoke in a human voice to stop the prophet's madness in its tracks.
2:18 : They utter bombastic words of folly
3:9 : The Lord is not delaying his promise,in the way that some reckon delay
3:17 : fall away from your own solid grounding
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He did well in this book. The only times I differed with him was in 2:13a where he said:"They commit injustice,and receive injustice as their reward.' And in 3:18 where he has it rendered "when God's new age dawns." instead where eternity would have been quite suitable.
1 John
2:1 : we have one who pleads our cause before the father
2:29 : has been fathered by him
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I don't think that Wright was wrong too often in his treatment of 1 John. However,he renders eternal life as :the life of the age to come six times.
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2 John
verse 6a: This is love: that we should behave in accordance with his commandments.
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No complaints in this very short book.
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Judah (as he calls Jude)
13 : splashing up their own shameful ways.
16 : buttering people up for the sake of gain
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He does well. Aside from saying "life of the age to come" in verse 21 when eternal life is quite proper,the only other objection is in verse 3. Here he has :"the rescue in which we share." What's wrong with the tried and true :"Our common salvation"?
2:1 : we have one who pleads our cause before the father
2:29 : has been fathered by him
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I don't think that Wright was wrong too often in his treatment of 1 John. However,he renders eternal life as :the life of the age to come six times.
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2 John
verse 6a: This is love: that we should behave in accordance with his commandments.
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No complaints in this very short book.
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Judah (as he calls Jude)
13 : splashing up their own shameful ways.
16 : buttering people up for the sake of gain
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He does well. Aside from saying "life of the age to come" in verse 21 when eternal life is quite proper,the only other objection is in verse 3. Here he has :"the rescue in which we share." What's wrong with the tried and true :"Our common salvation"?
Revelation
2:24 : I'm not going to put any other pressure on you.
14:12 : the faith of Jesus
18:1 : the earth was flooded with the light of his glory
18:4 : so that you don't become embroiled in her sins
18:7 : balance that by giving her torture and sorrow!
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His treatment of this book wa excellent. I don't think the most orthodox among us would have problems with it.
I am just curious why in 3:3 he rendered a slice as :"I'm coming to you." instead of "against you."
2:24 : I'm not going to put any other pressure on you.
14:12 : the faith of Jesus
18:1 : the earth was flooded with the light of his glory
18:4 : so that you don't become embroiled in her sins
18:7 : balance that by giving her torture and sorrow!
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His treatment of this book wa excellent. I don't think the most orthodox among us would have problems with it.
I am just curious why in 3:3 he rendered a slice as :"I'm coming to you." instead of "against you."
Gregory Perry Sr.
Active Member
The ONLY Reason I'd Take One
Rippon...the ONLY reason I'd want one of these versions would be to put it in the "bad translations" reference section of my library right along side The Living Bible, The Message, "Good" News For Modern Man, etc., etc. Considering how many times over the years I have actually "referred" to any of those it probably wouldn't even be worth my trouble to actually acquire one in the first place. Maybe one will be discarded and show up in the book section of one of our local thrift stores. Then I can buy it for 50 cents or a $1 and there won't be any royalties paid that will be a source of profit to the guy who wrote it or the company that published it. That way...the money I spend would go to help the homeless or feed hungry people. Under those circumstances I'd probably add a few more dollars to the purchase because I know the money goes to a good purpose! Thanks for posting all those "snippets" so we can all see just how bad this thing really is. I really did compare a few of them to the readings in my KJV and it was amazing just how bad they really were. I'm sorry...that "version" is NOT God's Word....even though it may "contain" some of the "truths" taught in a real Bible.......in my opinion.
Bro.Greg:saint:
Rippon...the ONLY reason I'd want one of these versions would be to put it in the "bad translations" reference section of my library right along side The Living Bible, The Message, "Good" News For Modern Man, etc., etc. Considering how many times over the years I have actually "referred" to any of those it probably wouldn't even be worth my trouble to actually acquire one in the first place. Maybe one will be discarded and show up in the book section of one of our local thrift stores. Then I can buy it for 50 cents or a $1 and there won't be any royalties paid that will be a source of profit to the guy who wrote it or the company that published it. That way...the money I spend would go to help the homeless or feed hungry people. Under those circumstances I'd probably add a few more dollars to the purchase because I know the money goes to a good purpose! Thanks for posting all those "snippets" so we can all see just how bad this thing really is. I really did compare a few of them to the readings in my KJV and it was amazing just how bad they really were. I'm sorry...that "version" is NOT God's Word....even though it may "contain" some of the "truths" taught in a real Bible.......in my opinion.
Bro.Greg:saint:
Give specifics.
Did word leak out to you that the rest of the English Bible versions were not using KJV-speak? LOL!
Did the Lord reveal that to you? So if someone said that the KJV is not God's Word is that okay too?
Gregory Perry Sr.
Active Member
But you would be crazy enough to say that about the KNT. Gotcha'. Your double standard is quite stark.
Acts
5:38 : if this plan or this work is of merely human origin,it will come to ruin
7:57 : made a concerted dash at him
9:23 : saul got wind of their plan
10:16 : then suddenly the sail was whisked back up to heaven.
11:4 : So Peter began to explain it all,step by step.
11:24 : And a substantial crowd was added to the Lord.
15:39 : There was a huge row,which resulted in them splitting up.
16:18 : Paul got fed up with it...And it came out then and there.
16:37 : No way! Let them come themselves and take us out.
17:34 : whipping up the crowd.
19:24 : which brought the workmen a tidy income.
19:40 : there is no reason we could give which would enable us to present a satisfactory explanation for this uproar.
20:1 : after the hue and cry had died down
20:9 : Once sleep had gotten the better of him
21;19 : everything which God had done through his ministry among the Gentiles,telling it all step by step.
22:5 : to face their just deserts
22:30 : still wanting to get to the bottom of it all
26:20 : do the works that demonstrate repentance
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This is a fine translation. I dare anyone who compares it with the ESV,NIV,HCSB,NASB,NLT and others to come to any other conclusion.
Out of a big book I found only 10 snips of verses which I think could have been rendered better. Wright's worse reading is in 16:30:"Gentlemen,he said,"will you please tell me how I can get out of this mess?"
5:38 : if this plan or this work is of merely human origin,it will come to ruin
7:57 : made a concerted dash at him
9:23 : saul got wind of their plan
10:16 : then suddenly the sail was whisked back up to heaven.
11:4 : So Peter began to explain it all,step by step.
11:24 : And a substantial crowd was added to the Lord.
15:39 : There was a huge row,which resulted in them splitting up.
16:18 : Paul got fed up with it...And it came out then and there.
16:37 : No way! Let them come themselves and take us out.
17:34 : whipping up the crowd.
19:24 : which brought the workmen a tidy income.
19:40 : there is no reason we could give which would enable us to present a satisfactory explanation for this uproar.
20:1 : after the hue and cry had died down
20:9 : Once sleep had gotten the better of him
21;19 : everything which God had done through his ministry among the Gentiles,telling it all step by step.
22:5 : to face their just deserts
22:30 : still wanting to get to the bottom of it all
26:20 : do the works that demonstrate repentance
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This is a fine translation. I dare anyone who compares it with the ESV,NIV,HCSB,NASB,NLT and others to come to any other conclusion.
Out of a big book I found only 10 snips of verses which I think could have been rendered better. Wright's worse reading is in 16:30:"Gentlemen,he said,"will you please tell me how I can get out of this mess?"
Galatians
2:13 : Even Barnabas was carried along by their sham.
4:9 : that weak and poverty-stricken lineup of elements
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I don't like his way of saying "covenant membership" instead of saying what it really is:righteousness. He did it twice;in 3:21,24.I also didn't care for his reading of 6:7,when it can simply be "God is not mocked."
Ephesians
1:5 : He foreordained us for himself
1:10 : as a blueprint for when the time was ripe.
2:5 : (Yes,you are saved by sheer grace!)
2:8 : This doesn't happen on your own initiative;it's God's gift.
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Splendidly done!
Having said that,I don't care for his "once upon a time" in 2:12.He has "disappoint" instead of grieve in 4:30. He uses the pronoun "it" instead of her in 5;25 which weakens the force of the meaning.In 6:14 he replaces the perfectly suitable righteousness for the word justice which is not the idea. Yes,I already pointed out earlier in this thread that I object to his New Perspective view. I am with Piper and others on this.
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Philippians
1:18 : So what?
1:23 : I'm pulled both ways at once
2:27 : so that I wouldn't have one sorrow piled on top of another.
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He did fine with this book. I will only note the verses which I think are wrongly rendered without doing your own homework. 1:10,11,21;2:12;3:9,12 (!)
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Colossians
2:9 : all the full measure of divinity has taken up bodily residence
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Wright did very well here. My slight objection is to 2:13. There were 3 or 4 times where a portion of some verses could have been tightened up.
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1 Thessalonians
1:8 : For the word of the Lord has resonated out from you
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Generally fine. My objections reside in 1:5;2:2;4:12;5:9,14.
And I appreciate the rendering of the NIV instead of his reading in 1:3.
That's all for now!
2:13 : Even Barnabas was carried along by their sham.
4:9 : that weak and poverty-stricken lineup of elements
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I don't like his way of saying "covenant membership" instead of saying what it really is:righteousness. He did it twice;in 3:21,24.I also didn't care for his reading of 6:7,when it can simply be "God is not mocked."
Ephesians
1:5 : He foreordained us for himself
1:10 : as a blueprint for when the time was ripe.
2:5 : (Yes,you are saved by sheer grace!)
2:8 : This doesn't happen on your own initiative;it's God's gift.
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Splendidly done!
Having said that,I don't care for his "once upon a time" in 2:12.He has "disappoint" instead of grieve in 4:30. He uses the pronoun "it" instead of her in 5;25 which weakens the force of the meaning.In 6:14 he replaces the perfectly suitable righteousness for the word justice which is not the idea. Yes,I already pointed out earlier in this thread that I object to his New Perspective view. I am with Piper and others on this.
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Philippians
1:18 : So what?
1:23 : I'm pulled both ways at once
2:27 : so that I wouldn't have one sorrow piled on top of another.
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He did fine with this book. I will only note the verses which I think are wrongly rendered without doing your own homework. 1:10,11,21;2:12;3:9,12 (!)
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Colossians
2:9 : all the full measure of divinity has taken up bodily residence
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Wright did very well here. My slight objection is to 2:13. There were 3 or 4 times where a portion of some verses could have been tightened up.
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1 Thessalonians
1:8 : For the word of the Lord has resonated out from you
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Generally fine. My objections reside in 1:5;2:2;4:12;5:9,14.
And I appreciate the rendering of the NIV instead of his reading in 1:3.
That's all for now!
Gregory Perry Sr.
Active Member
Nope...
Nice try but NOPE.....not a double standard at all....(and you haven't "got" me at all) I just don't believe that the KNT is a legitimate Bible translation. It MIGHT be a paraphrase at best. But you go on thinking as you wish. I've stated my opinion...that's all I was trying to do in the first place. Til I go home to Heaven or get banned from the BB I'll happily continue to do so....as will you.
Bro.Greg:saint:
Nice try but NOPE.....not a double standard at all....(and you haven't "got" me at all) I just don't believe that the KNT is a legitimate Bible translation. It MIGHT be a paraphrase at best. But you go on thinking as you wish. I've stated my opinion...that's all I was trying to do in the first place. Til I go home to Heaven or get banned from the BB I'll happily continue to do so....as will you.
Bro.Greg:saint:
Reads like the Phillips NT version, but would say NOT one to puchase and use instead of a 'real" bible version!
Good for devotional, quick reading, thats abouti t!
Of course you employ a double standard.
Nobody who is REALLY saved would be stupid enough,or crazy enough to say that the KNT is not the Word of God.
Perhaps you are not conversant about the rules on this forum. You do not have the right to say that any Bible translation is not the Word of God (NWT and a few others excepted.)
No,it is a mediating version along with the NET,HCSB,NAB,ISV,NIV and a few others.
You make quick,rash,hasty decisions which are reflected in your posts.
Didn't you come to same conclusion though, that version suitable for quick, devotional reading, not the one to grab for serious study of the bible?