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News: Missionary couple challenges IMB's grounds for termination
- Thread starter Sherrie
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Lo, many moons ago (back in the first half of the last century), missionaries found themselves in the same predicament. Only these were "fundamentalists". These folks withdrew from the Northern Baptist Missionary Society (or whatever its exact name was). They could no longer serve in an organization that had changed its doctrinal stance. The brethren in question went on to found organizations like ABWE, Baptist Mid-Missions, and Baptist World Missions.
So, what's new with the Dills? They are acting like a couple of Presbyterians. As was asked, are they not serving as representatives of a local church? Has their home church changed? And a bunch of other questions......
So, what's new with the Dills? They are acting like a couple of Presbyterians. As was asked, are they not serving as representatives of a local church? Has their home church changed? And a bunch of other questions......
I have been with the SBC for 40 years and have seen MANY things! The IMB has continued to restrict missionaries' freedom and that means many things. Missionaries have to keep more paperwork to justify that they are doing the "approved" ministry. And this talk about women pastors...PLEASE. The most famous SBC missionary was a woman who literally gave her life. MEN didn't want her to go but she felt God calling her to China. She would probably be denied commissioning today by the IMB.
Daniel David
New Member
The SBC is by no means a strict organization. The statement of faith allows for a lot of wiggle room within its statements. Consider eschatology, you could be anything by their statement.
Also, just because she thought God called her to do something doesn't mean he actually did. Btw, he didn't.
Daniel David
New Member
Sherrie, it is because some people consider the word pastor to include such things as the children's minister, education director, women's director, etc.
The word pastor might include those things (and thus the usage), but the office is the same as an elder or overseer. That is why they use the term Senior Pastor.
The word pastor might include those things (and thus the usage), but the office is the same as an elder or overseer. That is why they use the term Senior Pastor.
Daniel David
New Member
Yes.
I disagree with criticizing Lottie Moon. This was an aristocratic young lady who died broke because she gave all to helping the children of China. She never presumed herself to be a pastor but much like many other great women of the Bible, Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary Magdala, Priscilla and Phoebe she was a greatly used of God and certainly the Church needs women on the mission field (just not the pulpit).
She was a selfless person who loved the Chinese and I think the zeal of Lottie Moon is something we all need and I imagine she wouldn't have a problem signing the 2000 BF@M.
She was a selfless person who loved the Chinese and I think the zeal of Lottie Moon is something we all need and I imagine she wouldn't have a problem signing the 2000 BF@M.
Daniel David
New Member
Kiffin, I have no problem with her realizing a need in China and going to meet it. There is no doubt that she did a lot of good over there.
I was merely pointing out that she was not "called to be a missionary".
I was merely pointing out that she was not "called to be a missionary".
So, how do YOU define "being called"? She sensed God's leadership and felt the need to obey. Can women NOT be called?? It angers me, when I hear men say they know who is called and who isn't!! SO do you know who is saved and who isn't? ...and just FYI I would NEVER sign the BFM2K. It is sad to see the SBC become a papal state. Gosh, wouldn't J.Frank Norris be happy today?
SaggyWoman
Active Member
Women can be children's pastors.
Ed Edwards
<img src=/Ed.gif>
SaggyWoman: "Women can be children's pastors."
Apparently not, according to the 2000 BF&M.
Women can be Minister to Children
or even a Missionary to Children
but not a Children's Pastor.
BTW, Sister SaggyWoman, i pray for you every
day that you might be a succesful
Minister to Children.
Article about 2000 BF&M: "That runs counter
to the new Baptist Faith and Message's
declaration that women may not serve
as senior pastors."
2000 BF&M: "While both men and women
are gifted for service in the church,
the office of pastor is limited
to men as qualified by Scripture."
IMHO the article makes an opinion of what
the 2000 BF&M says. My opinion is that
it means women should not serve as pastors.
This includes Jr. Pastors, Pastors of Children,
Pastors of Senior Citizens, Pastors of
whatever. Oh dear, Sister SaggyWoman, are
you going to have to change the nameplate
on your desk or office?
Apparently not, according to the 2000 BF&M.
Women can be Minister to Children
or even a Missionary to Children
but not a Children's Pastor.
BTW, Sister SaggyWoman, i pray for you every
day that you might be a succesful
Minister to Children.
Article about 2000 BF&M: "That runs counter
to the new Baptist Faith and Message's
declaration that women may not serve
as senior pastors."
2000 BF&M: "While both men and women
are gifted for service in the church,
the office of pastor is limited
to men as qualified by Scripture."
IMHO the article makes an opinion of what
the 2000 BF&M says. My opinion is that
it means women should not serve as pastors.
This includes Jr. Pastors, Pastors of Children,
Pastors of Senior Citizens, Pastors of
whatever. Oh dear, Sister SaggyWoman, are
you going to have to change the nameplate
on your desk or office?
Ed Edwards
<img src=/Ed.gif>
What i was reading last month was a complaint that
the SBC had been captured by the
conservatives. So i'll be glad when
the offerings my family gives are NOT going
to fund conservatives and people who
have too much integrity
