NHS: Starving Alfie to death was just 'redirecting care'

[Matt Black]

So what are you saying, that the parents were held incompetent in making life and death decisions for their own child?

Explain what their medical qualifications were...I seem to have missed that fact, as have the judges

 

[church mouse guy]

So, what, are you saying they DIDN'T have a say in the proceedings. Weird how they're a party to the court action
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The courts have authority because the bankrupt socialized medicine scheme decides everything. In this case, the mistake was to take the child to that hospital, which already has a poor reputation.

 

[church mouse guy]

Explain what their medical qualifications were...I seem to have missed that fact, as have the judges

At least, you admit, Matt Black, the sheer police nature of socialized medicine in the UK. Apparently the people of the UK like that system.

 

[Matt Black]

I’d have a problem with his practicing medicine in the United States

Why? Seems like a thoroughly decent guy doing a difficult job

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Gee that’s too bad.

Some of us see this garbage coming here. Nothing wrong with discussing it and warning each other.

It could well be here right now.... but today it’s your insurance provider that makes the life or death decisions and the doctors follow suit. Social medicine insures that everyone gets poorer coverage and the possibility for an arranged death... but in this case, little Alphie became a pawn in the battle for parent care vs the state.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Why? Seems like a thoroughly decent guy doing a difficult job

Badly

 

[Matt Black]

So what are you saying, that the parents were held incompetent in making life and death decisions for their own child?

Do you think they were competent medically then? Like these parents: Death of 'invisible' eight-year-old from scurvy prompts calls for home-schooling register

 

[Matt Black]

That's right. That's what I said earlier in the thread. Once you check into the NHS, you are treated like government property. You cannot even leave and you are threatened with arrest and felony conviction if you do. The British doctors and judges have decided that they are the supreme medical authorities in the world--which contradicts the Cuban authorities, who say the same thing about the Cuban medical system, deemed the finest in the world by Michael Moore.

YOU can leave whenever you like as an adult as you are legally competent. You don't have absolute rights over someone else's life or treatment: others are legal persons in their own right and have the right to protection from incorrect treatment.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Do you think they were competent medically then? Like these parents: Death of 'invisible' eight-year-old from scurvy prompts calls for home-schooling register

I’m not even going to read this case until you answer my question, again we’re the parents ruled incompetent?

 

[church mouse guy]

YOU can leave whenever you like as an adult as you are legally competent. You don't have absolute rights over someone else's life or treatment: others are legal persons in their own right and have the right to protection from incorrect treatment.

Michael Moore said that the Cuba system is the best in the world. I don't think that they bother with the courts like you do. The police just decide the case there.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

YOU can leave whenever you like as an adult as you are legally competent. You don't have absolute rights over someone else's life or treatment: others are legal persons in their own right and have the right to protection from incorrect treatment.

What treatment ?!? The child was dying.....so you consider starvation and or not providing water to a sick patient the correct treatment? And if he were on deaths door, what harm could it have done for them to release him to the Italians. Matt, these were the wishes of the parents.

 

[Matt Black]

I've already said what harm it would have caused: hastening death and causing unnecessary pain en route

 

[David Kent]

Not so.

 

[Matt Black]

Has anyone here tried to move someone who is ventilated?

 

[Matt Black]

I’m not even going to read this case until you answer my question, again we’re the parents ruled incompetent?

Medically, they don't have the qualifications, know how or experience of the doctors. That stands to reason: I'm not even sure why this is being questioned. The alternative is cases like the Welsh boy who died of scurvy because his parents 'knew best'

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Has anyone here tried to move someone who is ventilated?

Yup. I have years of experience working with the disabled. It’s done literally all the time.

 

[Matt Black]

So, in your opinion, could he have been moved to Italy, and to what end?

 

[David Kent]

Matt I don't think we need any lectures from people who support the police shooting unarmed people with impunity, at least if they are black.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Medically, they don't have the qualifications, know how or experience of the doctors. That stands to reason: I'm not even sure why this is being questioned. The alternative is cases like the Welsh boy who died of scurvy because his parents 'knew best'

The government has to kill children because their parents might.

Got it.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Matt I don't think we need any lectures from people who support the police shooting unarmed people with impunity, at least if they are black.

Dude. You’re a liar.