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(1) Just about everybody knows the word "Lucifer" as another name for Satan. The word "Lucifer" is found one time in the King James Bible.
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
(2) But what about the NIV? The word "Lucifer" is clean, bald-headed gone and now this creature is identified as the "morning star". Lucifer is the "morning star" in the NIV.
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
(3) So we know that in the NIV the "morning star" is a negative, evil figure. Right? He was fallen from heaven. He was cast down to the earth. Can we find the "morning star" anywhere else in the NIV? Yes! The following passages in the NIV show the "morning star" as Jesus Christ! But the NIV just called the fallen creature of Isaiah 14:12 "morning star". Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV! Lord have mercy, Jesus! Help me, Lord.
NIV: Revelation 22:16,
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you [1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
NIV: 2 Peter 1:19,
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
NIV: Revelation 2:28--
I will also give him the morning star.
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[ATTACK ON THE BIBLE SNIPPED BY ADMINISTRATOR]
On 10/28/99 I received an e-mail in response to this article which may prove instructive to others.
READER: ...It is because of your articles on the King James Bible that I went out and purchased one and now read it at the expense of my NIV bible. Today, however, I decided to look more closely at the accusations made against the NIV. What caused this decision was the article on your site that stated that the NIV called satan, Jesus or vice versa. [ATTACK ON THE BIBLE SNIPPED BY ADMINISTRATOR]
...My first observation was that in the center of the King James Bible, where my commentary is, and yes I do have the Authorized King James Version and not the New King James, it said that the word lucifer literally means day star.
MY RESPONSE: [Three] problems: (1) you are looking at a "commentary" not the Bible. You cannot define the Bible by a commentary. (2) Many of the "commentaries" found in the Bibles you buy today come from the same folks who write the new versions and so the commentaries disagree with the Bible text and agree with new versions. (3) Lucifer does NOT mean day star. In fact DAY STAR is another name for Jesus Christ so now you've got a commentary that calls Lucifer Jesus ONE MORE TIME. See II Peter 1:9 [in the King James Bible] to see that the day star is Jesus Christ.
READER: Can't morning star be the same? And even though Jesus is also called the Morning Star, it is in caps as I have written it where morning star refering to satan is in small letters.
MY RESPONSE: Problem--if you had read the article more carefully, you would have seen that the NIV refers to Jesus as the "morning star" in lower case letters also.
READER: To go farther in my study I actually looked up the work lucifer and here is what I found.
lucifer: Middle English (meaning) morning star, fallen rebel archangel, the devil
Old English (from Latin) the morning star, from lucifer, light bearing from lue-lux light
MY RESPONSE: Lucifer [supposedly] means "light bearer" [so in this case it seems] they've mixed truth with error. You should NEVER go outside of the Bible to prove something wrong. The Bible stands on its own.
READER: My point from these definitions is: If the KJV commentary defines, literally, that lucifer means day star and that the definition of lucifer found in the dictionary means morning star as well as the devil etc. can't the term lucifer and morning star be used interchangably without it being in error?
MY RESPONSE: Your commentary is in error, not the Bible.
READER: I do understand your concern and it is some what valid. However, anyone who is in Christ knows without a doubt that He is the true Morning Star and the Savior of all who come to HIm. I don't think that in this instance we need fear the NIV version.
MY RESPONSE: The purpose of our section concerning the NIV is not to convince but rather to provide information. Whether folks agree or not is not the point.
[Additional comments by tracy--the reader here says anyone in Christ knows without a doubt that Jesus is the morning star. Is that so? How do they know? Only the Bible can tell you that information. If they have an NIV they can't know for sure. In fact, the NIV only renders confusion...and we know who authors confusion. The evil found in the NIV cannot be glossed over. Yea, in this instance we must reject the NIV if on no other grounds--though there be many.]
[ May 18, 2004, 11:19 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
(2) But what about the NIV? The word "Lucifer" is clean, bald-headed gone and now this creature is identified as the "morning star". Lucifer is the "morning star" in the NIV.
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
(3) So we know that in the NIV the "morning star" is a negative, evil figure. Right? He was fallen from heaven. He was cast down to the earth. Can we find the "morning star" anywhere else in the NIV? Yes! The following passages in the NIV show the "morning star" as Jesus Christ! But the NIV just called the fallen creature of Isaiah 14:12 "morning star". Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV! Lord have mercy, Jesus! Help me, Lord.
NIV: Revelation 22:16,
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you [1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
NIV: 2 Peter 1:19,
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
NIV: Revelation 2:28--
I will also give him the morning star.
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[ATTACK ON THE BIBLE SNIPPED BY ADMINISTRATOR]
On 10/28/99 I received an e-mail in response to this article which may prove instructive to others.
READER: ...It is because of your articles on the King James Bible that I went out and purchased one and now read it at the expense of my NIV bible. Today, however, I decided to look more closely at the accusations made against the NIV. What caused this decision was the article on your site that stated that the NIV called satan, Jesus or vice versa. [ATTACK ON THE BIBLE SNIPPED BY ADMINISTRATOR]
...My first observation was that in the center of the King James Bible, where my commentary is, and yes I do have the Authorized King James Version and not the New King James, it said that the word lucifer literally means day star.
MY RESPONSE: [Three] problems: (1) you are looking at a "commentary" not the Bible. You cannot define the Bible by a commentary. (2) Many of the "commentaries" found in the Bibles you buy today come from the same folks who write the new versions and so the commentaries disagree with the Bible text and agree with new versions. (3) Lucifer does NOT mean day star. In fact DAY STAR is another name for Jesus Christ so now you've got a commentary that calls Lucifer Jesus ONE MORE TIME. See II Peter 1:9 [in the King James Bible] to see that the day star is Jesus Christ.
READER: Can't morning star be the same? And even though Jesus is also called the Morning Star, it is in caps as I have written it where morning star refering to satan is in small letters.
MY RESPONSE: Problem--if you had read the article more carefully, you would have seen that the NIV refers to Jesus as the "morning star" in lower case letters also.
READER: To go farther in my study I actually looked up the work lucifer and here is what I found.
lucifer: Middle English (meaning) morning star, fallen rebel archangel, the devil
Old English (from Latin) the morning star, from lucifer, light bearing from lue-lux light
MY RESPONSE: Lucifer [supposedly] means "light bearer" [so in this case it seems] they've mixed truth with error. You should NEVER go outside of the Bible to prove something wrong. The Bible stands on its own.
READER: My point from these definitions is: If the KJV commentary defines, literally, that lucifer means day star and that the definition of lucifer found in the dictionary means morning star as well as the devil etc. can't the term lucifer and morning star be used interchangably without it being in error?
MY RESPONSE: Your commentary is in error, not the Bible.
READER: I do understand your concern and it is some what valid. However, anyone who is in Christ knows without a doubt that He is the true Morning Star and the Savior of all who come to HIm. I don't think that in this instance we need fear the NIV version.
MY RESPONSE: The purpose of our section concerning the NIV is not to convince but rather to provide information. Whether folks agree or not is not the point.
[Additional comments by tracy--the reader here says anyone in Christ knows without a doubt that Jesus is the morning star. Is that so? How do they know? Only the Bible can tell you that information. If they have an NIV they can't know for sure. In fact, the NIV only renders confusion...and we know who authors confusion. The evil found in the NIV cannot be glossed over. Yea, in this instance we must reject the NIV if on no other grounds--though there be many.]
[ May 18, 2004, 11:19 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]
