No adulterers in Heaven !

[revmwc]

I'm not sure if you completed this thought or not. But again, there was a way of performing a legal marriage back then. There is a way of performing a legal marriage today. Sex outside that legal marriage back then was fornication and it's the same today.

And even with the legal way to perform a marriage in that day Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 6:16 and their bodies are one and they become one flesh just as other scripture defines marriage

 

[True Puritan]

So you don't believe Jesus died for all sin and became the PROPITIATION for the sins of the World? 1 Jon 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.

So let me see all who believe on the Lord Jesus will be saved, does that mean adulterers. Now are you just excluding those who are divorced or does that include anyone who had premarital relations? 1 Corinthians 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
One flesh so you evidently believe that anyone who has relations outside of marriage cannot be saved, thus John 3:16 would be a kie wouldn't it? For God so loved the World t hat HE gave His only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life,
Instead by your belief it should read, For God so loved the World t hat HE gave His only Begotten Son that whosoever (except adulterers) believeth on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life,

Then to say adulterers can't be saved you must change what Jesus stated in John 10:
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
Now this should read from your theory, "... they shall never perish (unless they commit adultery then they will perish) neither shall any man (except themselves if they commit adultery) pluck them out of my hand.

Every verse on Salvation must be changed to exclude the sinner who has committed certain sins not just adultery, other things are listed. The unbeliever will be condemned John 3:
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Not those who believe not are condemned not all who believe not and adulterers, those who commit a sin of this type or that, no those who are condemned are those who have not believed, but those who believed not condemned, Christ did not say those who believed (but the adulterer can't believe because he is condemned for committing Adultery) no HE that is GOD the SON the Supreme authority says that ALL WHO BELIEVE are NOT condemned.

Lord Jesus Christ died for God's elects. John 3:16. Only those who believe in Him and do His Father's Will, only those will be saved. Matthew 7:21. Christ works our Salvation, not us. If we put our trusts in good works, not in Jesus Who is Sacrifice for our sins, we surely will wound up in Hell. Grace is not a license to sin. Those who defend and justify their sins, those are damned to Hell.

 

[Zaac]

And even with the legal way to perform a marriage in that day Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 6:16 and their bodies are one and they become one flesh just as other scripture defines marriage

So how are you distinguishing between marriage and fornication?

 

[Rolfe]

My name is Jeremy, and I am a web pastor.

Does anyone know what a "web pastor" is?

Guys who cannot make it as self-employed Consultants. *laugh*

 

[revmwc]

Lord Jesus Christ died for God's elects. John 3:16. Only those who believe in Him and do His Father's Will, only those will be saved. Matthew 7:21. Christ works our Salvation, not us. If we put our trusts in good works, not in Jesus Who is Sacrifice for our sins, we surely will wound up in Hell. Grace is not a license to sin. Those who defend and justify their sins, those are damned to Hell.

As Christians we all sin but John said if we (that is believers) confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us (believers) our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. That restores our relationship our fellowship with Him first and foremost and with others secondly

 

[Rolfe]

I swear by (deleted),I am not Pastor Steve. My name is Jeremy, and I am a web pastor. Not a troll. For (deleted) sake, place calm down people.

Your willingness to use Our Lord's Name so flippantly discredits you.

I believe you to be a troll.

 

[revmwc]

So how are you distinguishing between marriage and fornication?

Fornication is illicit relations the act by unmarried people therefore the act is fornication, once the act has occurred therefore the sin of fornication occurred the act of fornication and adultery constitute the people becoming one flesh. Adultery is the act by a married person with one whom they are not married

 

[True Puritan]

1) do you attend Andersons church
2) A previous poster asked: do you have to work to keep your salvation
3) what is a web pastor - who ordains you to be a web pastor

More questions, but on the way out the door to work

I don't attend his church. I just caught his video on YouTube, the one I shared here. I know street preachers, not this Steve. However, I know one big friend of mine named Steve. That Steve Drain, not Anderson.

 

[InTheLight]

What church sent you to do that?

Sounds like Westboro.

 

[Zaac]

Fornication is illicit relations the act by unmarried people therefore the act is fornication, once the act has occurred therefore the sin of fornication occurred the act of fornication and adultery constitute the people becoming one flesh. Adultery is the act by a married person with one whom they are not married

So how again are you distinguishing between what you say above and

and their bodies are one and they become one flesh just as other scripture defines marriage

because earlier, correct me if I'm mistaken, it seemed you were saying that because they had joined as one flesh/had sex, that they were Biblically married?

 

[revmwc]

So how again are you distinguishing between what you say above and


because earlier, correct me if I'm mistaken, it seemed you were saying that because they had joined as one flesh/had sex, that they were Biblically married?

The act makes is a sin, correct? If the act itself is sin as with a harlot it must be confessed as sin, right? Paul says too that the act makes them one flesh one body which is what the bible says leaving and cleaving is, following so far? A marriage is the consent to become husband and wife no acknowledgement of a marital agreement but the act continuing make it a sin but the act according to Paul makes one body and one flesh in God's eyes

 

[Rob_BW]

I don't attend his church. I just caught his video on YouTube, the one I shared here. I know street preachers, not this Steve. However, I know one big friend of mine named Steve. That Steve Drain, not Anderson.

The straight up Westboro member Steve Drain?

Sounds like Westboro.

You might have nailed it.

 

[Zaac]

The act makes is a sin, correct? If the act itself is sin as with a harlot it must be confessed as sin, right? Paul says too that the act makes them one flesh one body which is what the bible says leaving and cleaving is, following so far? A marriage is the consent to become husband and wife no acknowledgement of a marital agreement but the act continuing make it a sin but the act according to Paul makes one body and one flesh in God's eyes

I'm not sure if you're doing a bad job of making your point or I'm just doing a bad job of understanding here. Biggrin
Yes the act makes it a sin. But fornication...being joined as one flesh/having sex...does not equal Biblical marriage. Are you saying that being joined as one flesh equals Biblical marriage?

 

[True Puritan]

I don't attend his church. I just caught his video on YouTube, the one I shared here. I know street preachers, not this Steve. However, I know one big friend of mine named Steve. That Steve Drain, not Anderson.

Fornication is illicit relations the act by unmarried people therefore the act is fornication, once the act has occurred therefore the sin of fornication occurred the act of fornication and adultery constitute the people becoming one flesh. Adultery is the act by a married person with one whom they are not married

And remarriage for divorcees. Do we remember what John The Baptist said unto King Herod who took Herodias his alive brother's wife ?

 

[Zaac]

And remarriage for divorcees. Do we remember what John The Baptist said unto King Herod who took Herodias his alive brother's wife ?

That's pure adultery.

 

[Scarlett O.]

I swear by Lord, I am not Pastor Steve.... Many people who claimed to be Christians will not enter Heaven, because they ignore God's demands in the Bible. In Holy Truth, there will be plenty of worms in Hell....

You should add Matthew 5:31-32 to your list to teach that remarried people to to hell and harm the church. You need to keep reading and check out the next set of verses - 33 and 37.

Jesus, and his half brother, James, said we should not swear by anything or else we are condemned and that anything beyond a yes or a no is from the evil one.

James 5:12 - "Above all, my brothers and sisters, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. All you need to say is a simple "Yes" or "No." Otherwise you will be condemned."

Matthew 5:33-34 - ""Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.'But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes ' or 'No, no'; anything beyond these is of the evil one."

So, if by your own words, remarried people are going to hell, what about you? Your two oaths - according to the Bible have "condemned" you and are "from the evil one".

Are you going to be "banned" from heaven, too? Jesus spoke against divorce and using oaths back to back in the Sermon on the Mount.

 

[True Puritan]

Sounds like Westboro.

You got it.

 

[revmwc]

I'm not sure if you're doing a bad job of making your point or I'm just doing a bad job of understanding here. Biggrin
Yes the act makes it a sin. But fornication...being joined as one flesh/having sex...does not equal Biblical marriage. Are you saying that being joined as one flesh equals Biblical marriage?

So then you see Rebecca and Isaac as committing an act of Fornication? There was no ceremony no formal marriage agreement. Yes a dowry was left but scripture states Genesis 24:67 And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; When and how did she become HIS WIFE? After he took her right?
Was the act fornication or adultery? yet no ceremony took place but she consented to be his wife and he took her for his wife. Next we see Abraham, is Abraham in heaven or in Hell today? Christ spoke of Lazerus in the bosom of Abraham and that the rich man from Torments spoke across the great gulf fixed between the two. So Abraham is in Heaven and with God yet we have the illicit act of him going into Hagar and having Ishmael, so did he commit adultery with Hagar? Genesis states that Abraham had Concubines, and had sons by those concubines, Genesis 25 was that adultery or a marriage? Yet Abraham is in Heaven and will spend eternity with God.

 

[True Puritan]

That's pure adultery.

So did Jesus warn in Matthew 19:9 that is being perverted and stumbled by today mainstream churches. Also warning for Gentile nations (not Jews unlike in Jewish Gospel by Matthew) in Mark 10:11-12 and in Luke 16:18. By Apostle Paul in Hebrews 13:4, and Paul's warning in general in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Adulterers who believe they are Christians are the same in war as so-called GLBT Christians. I had many time challenges with sodomites who say that they are saved.

 

[Scarlett O.]

TP, you are "big friends" with Steve Drain - new leader at Westboro?

That explains the scripture you put in your avatar and your condemning remarried people to hell. Rolleyes

Farewell.