No dead babies, little children, infants in Hell?

[Cutter]

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.

To the Calvinists. Are the called spoken of by Peter, in these verses, the elect?

 

[Jarthur001]

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.

To the Calvinists. Are the called spoken of by Peter, in these verses, the elect?

Why just ask the Calvinist? I guess maybe you think we are smarter?

Well..you need to ask this of God. No man knows who the elect but God and the believer himself.

Now I want to address your verse. Before you build you case, you may want to remember the time this was given. Has the gospel been given the other nations at this point, or is Peter talking at the Jews only?

 

[Jarthur001]

One last verse before I go to bed.

Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.


Blessed is the man whom thou choosest,

Why?

, that he may dwell in thy courts:

in other words..

we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

who was this again?

the choosest,

ouch!!

 

[Cutter]

Why just ask the Calvinist? I guess maybe you think we are smarter?

Well..you need to ask this of God. No man knows who the elect but God and the believer himself.

Now I want to address your verse. Before you build you case, you may want to remember the time this was given. Has the gospel been given the other nations at this point, or is Peter talking at the Jews only?

Just as I thought. You speak great swelling words of election and chosen and cannot even answer a simple question concerning the Word of God. Go crawl under the covers with your body, it appears your mind has already done so!

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Just as I thought. You speak great swelling words of election and chosen and cannot even answer a simple question concerning the Word of God. Go crawl under the covers with your body, it appears you mind has already done so!

Drum roll please....

It is funny how they can claim all the saved are elect and yet don't know if the 3000 saved that day on Pentacost were elect.

 

[Rippon]

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.

To the Calvinists. Are the called spoken of by Peter, in these verses, the elect?

Yes, the called here are elect. The called=the elect."As many as the Lord shall call." The NLTse renders the last part:"--all who have been called by the Lord our God."

Consult Romans 8:28-30. The predestined,called,justified and glorfied are all of the same group. All are elect.

 

[Rippon]

It is funny how they can claim all the saved are elect and yet don't know if the 3000 saved that day on Pentacost were elect.

That's Pentecost.

Yes, the 3,000 were elect. Go to 2:47b:"And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved."(NIV)

There is no doubt about it. They were elect. "The Lord added to their number". Those are significant words. They didn't just sign a card and walk some aisle. The Lord had a people. He saw to it that they were saved.But they were elect before the beginning of the world.

 

[Jarthur001]

Just as I thought. You speak great swelling words of election and chosen and cannot even answer a simple question concerning the Word of God. Go crawl under the covers with your body, it appears your mind has already done so!

May The Grace of Our Lord Be With You, Now and Always.

And may the LORD of hosts have His way now, and always brother… All power and glory be unto Him forever and ever.

Go in Gods love.:godisgood:

 

[Jarthur001]

Drum roll please....

It is funny how they can claim all the saved are elect and yet don't know if the 3000 saved that day on Pentacost were elect.

Mr T had a good line.

"I love it when a good plan comes together"

This is not the reply I was hoping for, but it works just as well.

As God...for God is who wrote the book brother.

If you would read the text it tells us. This is why it matters little to what I say, if God is not behind it.

It was GOD that added to the church as Rip has said.

Now look at the other passage and what did GOD say?

 

[Brother Bob]

Mr T had a good line.

"I love it when a good plan comes together"

This is not the reply I was hoping for, but it works just as well.

As God...for God is who wrote the book brother.

If you would read the text it tells us. This is why it matters little to what I say, if God is not behind it.

It was GOD that added to the church as Rip has said.

Now look at the other passage and what did GOD say?

Well of course God adds to the church all the saved. We sure can't add our selves. Now we might argue why we are added, but you can't take away from God the "adding".

Act 2:47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

BBob,

 

[Cutter]

Yes, the called here are elect. The called=the elect."As many as the Lord shall call." The NLTse renders the last part:"--all who have been called by the Lord our God."

If the called in Acts 2:39 are the elect you have proven SFIC's point. The called are those that respond to the Word. The elect or chosen are the ones specifically chosen like Paul is mentioned in Acts 9:15. Else how do you reconcile the distinction Christ made between the called and the chosen in Matthew 22:14?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

If the called in Acts 2:39 are the elect you have proven SFIC's point. The called are those that respond to the Word. The elect or chosen are the ones specifically chosen like Paul is mentioned in Acts 9:15. Else how do you reconcile the distinction Christ made between the called and the chosen in Matthew 22:14?

You put that one square between the goalpost's, Bro.

. Being called, and being chosen are two different distinctions. Thanks.

 

[jdlongmire]

wow - way to confuse and concatenate the external call versus the inward effectual call to the elect and completely distort the clear teachings of Scripture.

In order to protect the idol of man’s own ability and of his good will as being the cause of his own salvation, the Arminians would prefer to do away with the distinction between the external and internal call, between the noneffectual and the effectual call. They would view them as being the same, and thus recognize only one calling. The effect would then not be due to the efficacious operation of God working more in one person than in another. Instead, it would be related to the outcome; namely, that the one person obeys the call by his free will (which enables him either to respond or to reject this call) and thus be saved. Another person will despise and reject this call by the same neutral free will. Scripture, however, rebukes and refutes such foolish thoughts and demonstrates first of all that the calling is effectual unto salvation as a result of God’s purpose, “...who are the called according to his purpose” (Rom. 8:28); “for the gifts and calling of God are without repentance” (Rom. 11:29).

from here

 

[HankD]

I haven't read this whole thread.

Has anyone posted this verse as evidence that infants do not perish if they die before "accountability"?

Job 3

11 Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?
12 Why did the knees prevent me? or why the breasts that I should suck?
13 For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest​

HankD​

 

[standingfirminChrist]

wow - way to confuse and concatenate the external call versus the inward effectual call to the elect and completely distort the clear teachings of Scripture.

You just described the actions of a Calvinist concerning election. They twist the Scripture to make election mean what they want it to mean.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I haven't read this whole thread.

Has anyone posted this verse as evidence that infants do not perish if they die before "accountability"?

Job 3

11 Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?
12 Why did the knees prevent me? or why the breasts that I should suck?
13 For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest​

HankD​

Great verses, HankD.

Proof indeed that not one single child that dies in infancy is in hell. A person who finds himself in that place where the rich man is from Luke's Gospel certainly has no rest at all.

 

[jdlongmire]

You just described the actions of a Calvinist concerning election. They twist the Scripture to make election mean what they want it to mean.

oh, my - excellent rebuttal. According to your model, we now have 2 classes of Christian - the "choosers" and the "chosen". Mind showing me where the "choosers" are mentioned or addressed in the NT?

To be helpful - here are the instances that "chosen" is mentioned or addressed.

And just one for your consideration:

Romans 11:7
What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;

It sure seems like there is only the chosen and everybody else...

 

[webdog]

oh, my - excellent rebuttal. According to your model, we now have 2 classes of Christian - the "choosers" and the "chosen". Mind showing me where the "choosers" are mentioned or addressed in the NT?

To be helpful - here are the instances that "chosen" is mentioned or addressed.

And just one for your consideration:

Romans 11:7
What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;

It sure seems like there is only the chosen and everybody else...

How is that any different than the two classes of salvation the calvinist needs...the one saved by faith, and the one who is "elect".

 

[jdlongmire]

How is that any different than the two classes of salvation the calvinist needs...the one saved by faith, and the one who is "elect".

you are kidding, right?

The Calvinist concurs with Scripture, that they are one and the same - saving faith and election are inseparable.

 

[Jarthur001]

How is that any different than the two classes of salvation the calvinist needs...the one saved by faith, and the one who is "elect".

Once again you show you poor understanding of Calvinism.

Maybe its time to learn and stop trying to guess. Just a idea you may want to think about.