He didn't limit it to just parts he said "completely" again show where he singled out certain portions, he didn't you can claim it but that doesn't make it so.
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No one deserved to be saved. Why the angst with Particular redemption?
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Where did I say this that God chooses randomly? Where? Show it? I never said such a foolish statement as that. God chose a multitude of hell-deserving ppl to give to His Son to redeem them from their sins. His Son came as a man to live as a man, to know what it was like to live as a man, to know their temptations, yet He never sinned. God chose them from the creation of the world, and His Son, in His time, came and redeemed them via His crosswork at Calvary. But He never randomly chose them. He chose them based upon HIS foreknowledge and not your corrupt definition of divine foreknowledge.
But your definition of foreknowledge and what divine foreknowledge truly is, are entirely different. God knew beforehand, because He decreed them who He chose, would be saved. It was not that He merely looked down through time and saw who would and wouldn't and chose them. That is Him reacting after they acted.
Scripture does not say or teach that at all.
God does nothing "random"
God does nothing because he learned anything, or waited to see something then react and make a plan....
Wrong.....he purposed to save a multitude of sinners.....while they were sinners and dead in their sin....for His own good pleasure;
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
There is no mention anywhere of God knowing "something" beforehand, that is completely false...
It says WHOM he did foreknow....not WHAT HE did Foreknow........You keep repeating this error as most do.....stay off those garbage Arminian anti- cal sites and read the scripture.
He does, and did.
The secret things belong to God and the revealed things belong to us. None knows why He chose one over the other. Other than He loves those He chose. He told Israrel He loves them because He loves them. It sure wasn't anything on Israel's part that caused God to love them, as they rebelled all the time, yet, it was the remnant He loves.
For the umpteenth time...For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.[Ephesians 1:4-6] That is why He choses some and not others.
As sinful as I am at times, I have asked Him that many times.
Again, your are destroying the definition of divine foreknowledge. Please. Stop. It.
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Why did I say it was a complete falsehood.....because you are offering the same argument that paul taught against in Romans 9;
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1 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
There is no indication at all of anything you are suggesting, but instead you go directly against the teaching here!
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NO it does not say that...it says
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
You are posting as if God was a man who was a respector of persons, when that language is totally absent from the biblical text.....
Skan had a chance to debate james White on this and was as quiet as a church mouse and avioded the texts of scripture like the plague....you need to deal honestly with these texts if any progress is going to be made.
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Sorry was on the phone for over an hour and could not respond until now....but you read it correctly and I have started to respond in more detail now...thanks for clarifying and understanding.He said your asinine statement "Scripture says He by his knowing beforehand He elected and Presestineted the believer, so why did He choose you was it a random choice? Our we're you found righteous enough? Or was it just random for you or SG" was a complete falsehood. (Not to mention borderline incoherent.)
this is the part that the non cals do not get.....we are for the most part on the same page most of the time...we differ according to secondary factors but the scripture unites us....
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