No wonder liberals are confused...

[AwesomeMachine]

Republicans want to start more wars and increase defense spending at the cost of benefits to the poor

Republicans want to undo the damage done by President Obama. They don't need a government-dependent underclass voting block for political survival. Liberals can't survive in a nation where people work for a living, because no one needs free stuff from the government. So, they won't vote for Democrats.

Republicans want to cut programs that benefit the poor

Republicans want to incentivize work. If a citizen can make more money sucking off of government than by working for a living, people won't work. The bigger the welfare state, the less taxpayers there are, which means tax receipts are lower, which necessitates tax increases to feed the welfare state, which compounds the problem.

Democrats want to weaken the economy and create government dependence, because it is necessary for government to gain absolute power over the people. Once that happens, there will be no more welfare state. It will be abject government oppression and mutual sharing of misery among the people.

The new tax plan benefits only the rich but leaves the middle class paying for everything.

The President's tax plan leaves plenty of room for negotiation. The corporate tax rate in the United States is not progressive. It is designed to slowly cripple the US economy, by causing corporations to relocate to other nations, leaving the USA a hollowed out shell.


But why would Democrats want that? Because they hate God. They hate the free market, because it leaves everything up to God. They hate the way God does things, because they have utter contempt for God and His commandments. They want to legally permit, and even subsidize, every godless act under the sun, because they hate natural law and the way God created the world.

Liberals desire a world in which government dictates right and wrong, and in which the definition of sin is dictated by the minimum legal requirement; a world in which statutory law and court findings dictate the truth. But, in every instance where there exists a conflict between statutory law and/or court findings, and Church doctrine; the Church is always correct, and the government is always wrong.

Truth is not subject to change. Regardless of what government policy states, truth remains fixed for all time. Regardless of what any individual or group believes, it does not alter truth. Justice is when each man knows the fruits of his labor are his own.

What really is the difference between a feudal state in which noblemen collect 60% of the produce from serfs who work the land, and a government that collects 60% tax (all taxes added together)? There's no difference! That's why we need to do away with the welfare state and institute tax legislation that incentivizes work.

And, if the rich are punished simply for being rich, people won't want to be rich. Without wealthy bankers, capitalists and industrialists, economic growth would grind to a halt. People are entitled to the money they earn, period.

 

[FollowTheWay]

There are no Republicans who want to do this.


So you question the salvation of those who want to keep this country safe? Please show me the scripture to support that.



which Republican said those words?



Why are the rich a constant target of tax confiscation for the far left?



There are no Republicans who want to do this.



What is wrong with inequality? Why should we question the faith of someone who supports this? What passage of scripture says we should never support financial inequality on a national scale?



Do you know what that word means? I only ask because you finished off this post with that accusation but showed nothing in the rest of the post to substantiate that. Of course nothing in this post is substantiated. It's all hyperbole and vitriol.

Certainly GW Bush and Cheney got us involved in two meaningless wars that were the longest in U.S. history. And they fought them "off budget" meaning they directly added to the deficit and stole money from the Social Security fund. Trump doesn't believe nor does he know how to address issues through diplomacy so he's threatening attacking N. Korea. If he pushes that button it will be the "War to end all wars."

 

[FollowTheWay]

We, the members of our church, fed 147 families this week. What have you done?

We, the members of our church have both international and domestic missionaries sent out by us not the SBC to help the needy especially immigrants. We provide furniture for newly arrived people from other countries and help needy families in our community. I gave a long-time needy friend of mine $250 so he could keep his lights on. I've been helping this one disabled needy man since about 2001. I stopped at a stop light and gave $20 to someone I deemed to be truly in need. As always, I told him I was helping him in the name of Jesus and said "May God be with you." What have you personally done this week to help the poor?

 

[TCassidy]

So, 4? You helped 4 people?

 

[Use of Time]

So, 4? You helped 4 people?

Why are you guys competing? Who is the most virtuous? Do it for God not your egos guys. This is a childish thread and this isn't helping.

 

[TCassidy]

Why are you guys competing?

Nobody is competing. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of his statement "What have you or the Republican Party proposed to help the poor?"

 

[Use of Time]

Nobody is competing. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of his statement "What have you or the Republican Party proposed to help the poor?"

You absolutely were competing. You were literally count the number of people helped and bragging about your number versus his number.

 

[TCassidy]

You absolutely were competing. You were literally count the number of people helped and bragging about your number versus his number.

I am sorry you didn't understand. I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you.

 

[Use of Time]

I am sorry you didn't understand. I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you.

You didn't do much of either. Spare me the condescension. You can own it or not but nobody misunderstood anything. You could have made your point in a number of ways but what was on display was you pointing at the spiritual scoreboard. You guys are better than that.

 

[TCassidy]

nobody misunderstood anything.

Well, except you, of course.

 

[Use of Time]

Well, except you, of course.

Does pointing out hypocrisy require a point to point evaluation? Whatever. I'll let you get back to patting yourself on the back Tom. Thank you for your "humble service."

 

[Squire Robertsson]

A question was fairly asked.

What have you or the Republican Party proposed to help the poor?

Which, Tom fairly (though perhaps unexpectedly and substantively) answered

We, the members of our church, fed 147 families this week. What have you done?

 

[Use of Time]

A question was fairly asked.

Which, Tom fairly (though perhaps unexpectedly and substantively) answered

No, that part I get. But why scoff at the number of people that FTW mentioned as if it pails in comparison?

 

[TCassidy]

No, that part I get. But why scoff at the number of people that FTW mentioned as if it pails in comparison?

Because he thinks government should help the poor rather than us doing it ourselves.

In order for our church to feed 147 families all we have to do is buy enough food for 147 families and give it to them.

In order for the government to feed 147 families they would need:

A department of welfare with a staff of several hundred to investigate what "poor" means and to try and determine who fits their definition of "poor."

A department of agriculture with a staff of several hundred to make sure the food is grown in such a way as to be approved by the department (who know nothing about growing food).

A department of transportation with a staff of several hundred to oversee the movement of the food from where it is grown to where the government thinks it should go, except government does things so badly the food never seems to get to the poor.

A department of public records with a staff of several hundred to keep a record of who gets food, and how much food they get, and how often they get it. These records are required to be filled out and filed with the department of records every time the poor are fed.

A department of education with a staff of several hundred to make sure the poor know how to write English so they can fill out their forms.

A department of state with a staff of several hundred to find out what countries the poor are from so they can know what languages they speak so they can print forms in those languages.

A department of printing with a staff of several hundred to print the forms mentioned above.

A department of communication with a staff of several hundred to provide pencils to the poor so they can fill out their forms.

A department of forestry with a staff of several hundred to grow the trees the pencils will be made from.

A department of ecology with a staff of several hundred to make sure the trees are replanted and protected.

And so on and so on and so on.

 

[Use of Time]

Because he thinks government should help the poor rather than us doing it ourselves.

In order for our church to feed 147 families all we have to do is buy enough food for 147 families and give it to them.

In order for the government to feed 147 families they would need:

A department of welfare with a staff of several hundred to investigate what "poor" means and to try and determine who fits their definition of "poor."

A department of agriculture with a staff of several hundred to make sure the food is grown in such a way as to be approved by the department (who know nothing about growing food).

A department of transportation with a staff of several hundred to oversee the movement of the food from where it is grown to where the government thinks it should go, except government does things so badly the food never seems to get to the poor.

A department of public records with a staff of several hundred to keep a record of who gets food, and how much food they get, and how often they get it. These records are required to be filled out and filed with the department of records every time the poor are fed.

A department of education with a staff of several hundred to make sure the poor know how to write English so they can fill out their forms.

A department of state with a staff of several hundred to find out what countries the poor are from so they can know what languages they speak so they can print forms in those languages.

A department of printing with a staff of several hundred to print the forms mentioned above.

A department of communication with a staff of several hundred to provide pencils to the poor so they can fill out their forms.

A department of forestry with a staff of several hundred to grow the trees the pencils will be made from.

A department of ecology with a staff of several hundred to make sure the trees are replanted and protected.

And so on and so on and so on.

Yes. All of that is correct. Why is that a reason to scoff at the people he helped though. Notice the exchange was people HE helped not the government. That's why I don't understand why you are giving him a hard time and making fun of the number of people he helped. Weird. But okay.

 

[Salty]

... I stopped at a stop light and gave $20 to someone I deemed to be truly in need. ...

I will NEVER give someone on the side of the street cash. There are many agencies (as well as Govt) to help people.
IMHO - giving money to someone is just enabling them.
Doing so is only "putting on a band-aid" What many of these folks need is "surgery"

Does that sound like I am too tough - I hope so - we need to get to the core of the problem.

...our church have both international and domestic missionaries sent out by us not the SBC ...

whats wrong with supporting the SBC?

 

[InTheLight]

I will NEVER give someone on the side of the street cash. There are many agencies (as well as Govt) to help people.
IMHO - giving money to someone is just enabling them.

Agreed. I never give money to street people but I have given food.

My mother was recently hospitalized and I had to go to the hospital many times during the week into downtown Minneapolis and I noticed at a busy intersection just off the freeway the same panhandlers were there every day for a week. I saw them take money from motorists on probably six or seven different occasions. That's just what I saw in the 3 or 4 minutes I was stuck in traffic and I could see them before I moved along. Now, imagine how much they took in over a couple of rush hours per day, "working" those intersections for maybe a total of 4 hours a day.

They had two cardboard signs that they held up and they rotated them from day to day, even from morning to evening. They must have had "market research" that told them which sign to use in the AM and which one to use in the PM.



Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo.

 

[Salty]

Agreed. I never give money to street people but I have given food.

My mother was recently hospitalized and I had to go to the hospital many times during the week into downtown Minneapolis and I noticed at a busy intersection just off the freeway the same panhandlers were there every day for a week. I saw them take money from motorists on probably six or seven different occasions. That's just what I saw in the 3 or 4 minutes I was stuck in traffic and I could see them before I moved along. Now, imagine how much they took in over a couple of rush hours per day, "working" those intersections for maybe a total of 4 hours a day. .

and they dont have to pay any income tax on the money they make.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Because he thinks government should help the poor rather than us doing it ourselves.

In order for our church to feed 147 families all we have to do is buy enough food for 147 families and give it to them.

In order for the government to feed 147 families they would need:

A department of welfare with a staff of several hundred to investigate what "poor" means and to try and determine who fits their definition of "poor."

A department of agriculture with a staff of several hundred to make sure the food is grown in such a way as to be approved by the department (who know nothing about growing food).

A department of transportation with a staff of several hundred to oversee the movement of the food from where it is grown to where the government thinks it should go, except government does things so badly the food never seems to get to the poor.

A department of public records with a staff of several hundred to keep a record of who gets food, and how much food they get, and how often they get it. These records are required to be filled out and filed with the department of records every time the poor are fed.

A department of education with a staff of several hundred to make sure the poor know how to write English so they can fill out their forms.

A department of state with a staff of several hundred to find out what countries the poor are from so they can know what languages they speak so they can print forms in those languages.

A department of printing with a staff of several hundred to print the forms mentioned above.

A department of communication with a staff of several hundred to provide pencils to the poor so they can fill out their forms.

A department of forestry with a staff of several hundred to grow the trees the pencils will be made from.

A department of ecology with a staff of several hundred to make sure the trees are replanted and protected.

And so on and so on and so on.

I would far prefer for the churches to provide the poor and needy with what they need. That's God's model. But I don't see that as possible. I did a calculation and just for the church to provide healthcare to replace Obamacare would cost about $200,000 per Christian church in the U.S./ yr. That includes Catholic churches. Many of the large churches could certainly do that if they chose to but they haven't and won't. But most of the churches in the SBC are under 100 active members. There is no way for they to handle this kind of a burden. And that's only healthcare. The poor need food and help in many other ways.

Please don't distort my message. I'm saying let's divert the huge amount of money spent on war by the government and try to bring the U.S. up to an acceptable standard at least for healthcare. We are currently LAST among industrialized countries and barely ahead of Cuba. That was the decision made by our government led by the Republican Neo-Cons. I want to change the focus of our country from war to peace and support.

 

[Salty]

I would far prefer for the churches to provide the poor and needy with what they need. That's God's model. But I don't see that as possible. I did a calculation and just for the church to provide healthcare to replace Obamacare would cost about $200,000 per Christian church in the U.S./ yr. That includes Catholic churches. Many of the large churches could certainly do that if they chose to but they haven't and won't. But most of the churches in the SBC are under 100 active members. There is no way for they to handle this kind of a burden. And that's only healthcare. The poor need food and help in many other ways. ...

I tend to agree with you - however - if a person is a smoker - and has a smoking related disease- but refuses to give up smoking - are we under any obligation to still help him? (this just being one example)