Noah's Flood - Scriptural Mysteries and Theories

[37818]

Another disagreement without Scriptural merit - HUG WASH....... therefore, no need for a rebuttal.

Hogwash.

 

[2Pillars]

37818 said: ↑
Utter non-sense. The earth's atmosphere, space and the Heaven of heavens where the man Jesus Christ is at the right hand of God does not demonstrate that there is to be a multiverse. The idea of universe meaning everything, actually makes the concept of a multiverse to be a non-sense.
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Another disagreement without Scriptural merit by 37818 - HOGWASH (corection)....... therefore, no need for a rebuttal.

 

[2Pillars]

God tells us that Adam was made the 3rd Day after the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants grew. Gen. 2:4-7. The Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen. 1:9-10 The plants GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen. 1:12. This shows that the first Human, Adam, was formed of the dust of the ground LONG BEFORE ANY other living creature, before the plants, herbs, trees, Sun, Moon, Stars of our Cosmos, and "EVERY other living creature that moves" which came forth from the water on Day 5.

There is no interpretation needed since Science has measured the time since the Big Bang at 13.8 Billion years ago, and God shows it was 3 Days or Ages ago, which means that EACH of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time. God's Truth is the Truth Scientifically, Historically, and in EVERY other way, IF you can understand God's Holy Word.

God also tells us HOW and WHEN the Prehistoric Mankind (sons of God) on our Earth inherited the Human intelligence which is unique to Adam and his descendants. God calls prehistoric mankind / creatures whose origin was in the water on Day 5, is called the sons of God. Gen 1:21.

Today's Science confirms that EVERY living creature MUST have water to live since EVERY cell in our body would die without it.

The sons of God (prehistoric Mankind) married and produced the Humans on the first Earth, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. Genesis 4 tells us that Cain married and produced Enoch, his son, with a woman who could ONLY have brought forth from the water, as God told us in Gen 1:21 No Ancient Man could have possibly known this. Read it for yourself:

Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men (Heb-Adam), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The giants were giants intellectually as is shown at the end of the verse. They were the Humans of the first Earth, and they had agriculture, smelting, city building, and technology with little of NO evolution. Adam farmed with NO evolution, and Cain built a city with NO evolution, showing that Human intelligence is Superior to ANY creature made from the water.

The fulfillment of the prophecy of "and also after that" was fulfilled when Noah brought the human intelligence of Adam to Northern Mesopotamia in the mountains of Ararat. This happened some 10k years ago and the FIRST human cities and the FIRST agriculture, and the ONLY Human civilization on our Earth, PROVES it.

SUDDENLY, the sons of God, (prehistoric man) evolved the Human intelligence of Adam and changed from animal to Human intelligence. Prehistoric man settled down, built houses, cities, and developed math and writing, proving that anything is possible IF you have the intelligence of the first Human, Adam. Below is the empirical record of the arrival of the first Humans on this Earth:

Map: Fertile Crescent, 9000 to 4500 BCE....http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/fertilemap.html

In less than 1% of the time since the sons of God diverged from Chimps, on this Planet, they went from Caves to the Moon and back, and yet Evolutionists and other Pretenders seem to be totally ignorant of this Biblical Truth. Human' blood also inherited the ERVs of the Common Ancestor of Chimps thru Contamination... BUT Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor, but from our own common ancestor whose name is Adam.

God bless

 

[37818]

God tells us that Adam was made the 3rd Day

So, it would seem according to your interpretation, God must have deceptively told us He made man in His image on the 6th day in Genesis 1:24-31.

I honestly cannot follow your thinking. It seems like, to me, so much non-sense. Be careful brother.

If you really believe this stuff you are posting you need to slow down and step by step bring others up to speed with your thinking. Aqain, to me, your arguments have seemed like so much non-sense.

 

[2Pillars]

So, it would seem according to your interpretation, God must have deceptively told us He made man in His image on the 6th day in Genesis 1:24-31.

I honestly cannot follow your thinking. It seems like, to me, so much non-sense. Be careful brother.

If you really believe this stuff you are posting you need to slow down and step by step bring others up to speed with your thinking. Aqain, to me, your arguments have seemed like so much non-sense.

Don't blame God for your foolishness and lack of understanding of the Scripture, Blame yourself for lack of sincere effort to learn by being almost Biblically illiterate. You have the audacity to argue and insult others just because you are so lazy to study the Scripture.

Here's what the Scripture says to people like you...

I Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[37818]

Don't blame God for your foolishness and lack of understanding of the Scripture, Blame yourself for lack of sincere effort to learn by being almost Biblically illiterate. You have the audacity to argue and insult others just because you are so lazy to study the Scripture.

Here's what the Scripture says to peop*le like you...

I Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I am not blaming God, I am blaming you. For the record, I believe in an old universe, and a literal reading of Genesis. My views span some 50 years.

 

[2Pillars]

Isa 24:18-20 is like a double edge sword.... and speaking of Noah’s Flood, since this is obviously the account of the 1st Earth being clean dissolved in water when the windows of their heaven were opened. It's speaking of Adam's world being completely destroyed in water during the Flood.

It is also set up as a Snare or Trap....to catch those willingly ignorant Unbelievers and Christian Pretenders of the last days.

Here’s the context of the snare or a trap, below.

Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.
v19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
v20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe that all the inhabitants thereof (except those in the Ark)... together with the 1st World / Earth were totally destroyed / dissolved in the flood.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: v6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed, totally)

These verses from the Old and New Testament confirm that Adam's world, the world that then was, was totally destroyed in the Flood..... and that the heavens and earth which are now, will also be dissolved by fire.

Scoffers, of the end of time, will choose to be "willingly ignorant" of this event which Isaiah describes.

In fact, the same word (”dissolved” )- is used again and kept in store to describe the upcoming prophecy of the new heaven and earth which are now, reserved for fire - and will melt and shall be “dissolved” , by its fervent heat.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store ("dissolved") , reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2PE 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

However, Jesus also said the following:

Jhn 14:1-2 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. v2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

God bless

 

[poor-in-spirit]

I think the last thing God wants us to understand about His Wrath is the architectural trivia surrounding it.

The relevant lesson our Lord gave us in regards to Noah and the flood is contained in the Gospels, and 1&2 Peter. All emphasizing the same theme.
The declination of true faith on the earth means no salt. No salt means no interest (seasoning) for God and no more preservation from His Wrath.

The world is littered with hobby Christians but fewer and fewer disciples of Christ in Word and action.

https://www.jesussaidwhat.com/saving-faith-days-of-noah-the-raptu

 

[Deacon]

I’ve been thinking about this thread for a few days.
My question has been, how do we determine when an interpretation of ours is off track?

My initial response would be,
1. Is my interpretation unique? Has anyone else proposed a solution similar to what I have proposed?

2. Does my solution contradict any portion of Scripture or weaken any fundamental doctrine?

Rob

 

[2Pillars]

The dating of the Ancient Religious Leaders and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with Scripture and the observed Truth of History. The basis of their dating methodology leaves thousands of years more (if not double) to be added to the estimated numbers of years of the event of the Flood (6K) at the time Noah and his family set foot on this present planet of ours.

Below, you will find the empirical evidence for the SUDDEN arrival of Human Farmers on this Planet. It happened some 10k years ago EXACTLY where God told us it did in Gen 8:4, in the mountains of Ararat. Notice that Big Lake which is between Mt. Ararat and the Center of the Fertile Crescent. Also notice the date when this event happened.

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

The valleys just SW of these mountains are in Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization on this Earth. The FIRST Human farming, city building, and ALL of the traits of modern Humans began in this area.

Gen 10:10 shows that the great grandsons of Noah BUILT these first Human cities, some of which are still standing. The important part is that HISTORY agrees, leaving the False assumption of Religionist , the odd man out, since it has NOT noticed this event.

God bless

 

[2Pillars]

The chronology of Adam's years of living started counting only IN THE DAY after he was born again spiritually in the image and likeness of God on the 6th Day. That's also why Eve is called the "Mother of All the Living". Biblically speaking, those who are not yet made in the image and likeness of God or Born Again spiritually are considered by the Scripture as "Dead" and not "Living".

The number of the “LIVING” days/years started counting after one is Born Again spiritually in the image and likeness of God. Those years who were not yet spiritually born again are NOT included in the record of the chronology of the number of years as a "LIVING" Why? Simply because…..

He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. Mar 12:27

That's the Biblical Truth not Mine.

God bless

 

[just-want-peace]

This thread, IMHO, is definitely proof that the old saying, "HE'S BEEN EDUCATED BEYOND HIS INTELLIGENCE." is a true statement -- in some cases!!

 

[Chomper76]

Dear Rob,

Here's how I see / imagine the 1st Heaven - Adam's World - based on the Scripture and Theory:

The first firmament of heaven protected the interior of the Biosphere of Adam from the water which totally surrounded it. When the windows on high were opened and it rained for forty days and nights, the Biosphere began to sink in the water. After 150 days the water was 22 1/2 feet deep and covered the highest hills of that world.

The first Heaven, as God called it, was much smaller than our Earth. The entire land had but 4 Rivers while our Earth has thousands. When the covered Ark rose upon the water which filled the firmament, it passed through the windows onto Lake Van, Turkey where it had been all the time, under the water. The first world was totally destroyed in water and Noah was brought safely to our 2nd Heaven, which was made the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4

No Spaceship necessary. It simply passed from one Biosphere to another. Soon, all Christians will leave this world and we will enter the Third Heaven, just as Noah entered our second Heaven. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, thanks to Jesus. Are you ready?

Ancient Hebrew Perspective of Adam’s World …. .Ancient Hebrew Cosmology .... Picture a completely enclosed Lucite Sphere or boundary into which is placed water: Check the link above to have better idea or visualization.

Gen 1:9¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Above is God's command. Remember that God is an invisible Spirit. He is commanding YHWH, his Son, the ONLY Physical Image of God, to gather the waters which are under the firmament (showing that the firmament was floating) and put them inside the first Heaven or Universe.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters he called Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Now that the water is in the bottom of the firmament, YHWH, the Son, adds ground or dry land, and his Father calls the dry land "Earth". We already know that Air was also inside the firmament because there was water under the firmament.

Conclusion. Fill a hollow lucite sphere with some water, dry ground above that, and air, and you have the first enclosed, self supporting, Universe, which is completely separate from ANY other world. It is much smaller than our Cosmos, and the small Earth has a Flat surface. It's four Rivers all come out of the Garden of Eden which is only 22 1/2 feet in elevation. Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

God also gives away additional information by calling the water, which was twisted, and caused a Roaring sound, when it was placed inside the firmament. The Hebrew word for "Seas" means "a roaring." I love to hear the Seas roar.

This could NOT have been our Earth since it would take water over 29K feet deep to cover Mount Everest. Some math whiz should calculate the size of the firmament. How big is the hollow sphere based on the data that it took forty days and nights of rain to fill it and cause it to sink, thus allowing the Ark to escape the confines of the First world

God bless

Utter non-sense. The earth's atmosphere, space and the Heaven of heavens where the man Jesus Christ is at the right hand of God does not demonstrate that there is to be a multiverse. The idea of universe meaning everything, actually makes the concept of a multiverse to be a non-sense.

Your definition of universe is flawed and requires it to be infinite (it is not).

Cosmic ‘bruise’ could be evidence for multiple universes

 

[37818]

Your definition of universe is flawed and requires it to be infinite (it is not).

Cosmic ‘bruise’ could be evidence for multiple universes

universe (n.)
1580s, "the whole world, cosmos, the totality of existing things," . . . universe | Origin and meaning of universe by Online Etymology Dictionary

 

[Chomper76]

As far as someone commenting on the firmament. More nonsense.

First there is no mechanism to suspend the water.

That much water would have blocked out a lot of sun and the earth would have been much cooler.

If the water was above the ozone layer, ultraviolet light would have broken apart the water molecules.

If it were lower, it would have severely raised atmospheric pressure.

If the firmament were ice, it would have to have been far enough away to not fall to earth. So it would have formed a ring, like the ice rings around Saturn.

 

[2Pillars]

• Note: The Ancient Hebrew Perspective of Adam's Firmament of Heaven - contrary to the distorted premises provided by Chomper76 above for fallacy argument.
• 1) God must have made the 1st Firmament of Heaven of Adam similar to a Solid Glass to protect and hold the waters surrounding it - Mechanism is similar to All the Planets that are suspended inside our own present universe.
• 2) The Firmament of Heaven has its own Organize System (i.e. sun, moon, stars, etc.) inside the Firmament - contrary to the above distorted view that was provided.
• 3) Since it has its own controlled atmosphere inside the firmament - forget about the so called "ozone" factor - IRRELEVANT!
• 4) Also, there were windows of heaven above the sky as described in the Scripture
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[Chomper76]

universe (n.)
1580s, "the whole world, cosmos, the totality of existing things," . . . universe | Origin and meaning of universe by Online Etymology Dictionary

Using a dictionary to define words in science is problematic at best. An example is theory. In the public it is considered an unproven idea. In science it is far different. It is defined as explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing. Science never PROVES anything. It leaves the door open for new evidence that may falsify the theory.

A more scientific definition of universe is the whole cosmic system of matter and energy of which Earth, and therefore the human race, is a part.

Our universe is finite. There is a real possibility that it is not the only one. We cannot directly observe any other universe, but it does exist in theoretical mathematics.

Neil Tyson Degrasse wrote this in one of his astrophysics books:

"There’s a variation of the ever-popular multiverse idea in which the multiple universes that comprise it are not separate universes entirely, but isolated, non-interacting pockets of space within one continuous fabric of space-time—like multiple ships at sea, far enough away from one another so that their circular horizons do not intersect. As far as any one ship is concerned (without further data), it’s the only ship on the ocean, yet they all share the same body of water."

"Today, how easy it is to presume that one universe is all there is. Yet emerging theories of modern cosmology, as well as the continually reaffirmed improbability that anything is unique, require that we remain open to the latest assault on our plea for distinctiveness: the multiverse."

 

[37818]

Using a dictionary to define words in science is problematic at best.

Without language you cannot communicate anything. Science is dependant on language which precedes the science. New words are invented. And sometimes new meanings are given old words. And the invention of new words and the changing of the meanings of words are not limited to science.

 

[2Pillars]

Adam's direct descendant, Noah, arrived on our Earth, some 11k years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to him. History agrees and odd man out is the False ToE which is "willingly ignorant" 2Pe 3:5 of our true Human origins. You can read of the sexual compatibility of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants in Genesis 6:1-4

Today's Evols and some Religionists are totally ignorant that Human blood was contaminated by the blood of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry. Like Cain on the first world, they married the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) who were ALREADY here on our present planet when Noah arrived.

In the past some 10k years Humans have been scattered over the whole face of our Planet. Gen 11:9

There was but ONE way to scatter Humanity over the face of this whole Earth from Babel. All the LORD had to do was scatter the descendants of Noah, who were the ONLY Humans on this Earth at the time, and Adam's unique Human intelligence would naturally spread to the point where there are more than 7 Billion Humans on Earth today.

This gives the maximum of Humans who have a free choice to believe what God told us in Genesis, or to believe the Lies of Satan. God is filling the 3rd Heaven with believers Today. He will NOT rest until it is filled.

Remember, God created and brought forth Every Living Creature that moveth from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced "His /Their Kinds" (including mankind) from the dust of the ground, at the beginning of the 6th Day and brought them to Adam for him to name them. Thus, we are all confined to our own kinds in order to multiply and produce offspring.

Unfortunately, Scoffers of the Last Days remain ignorant of God’ Truth.

 

[GaoLu]

One must marvel at the range of human ideas.