Noah's Flood - Scriptural Mysteries and Theories

[Deacon]

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2Pillars, I’ve wrestled with how to interpret Genesis 1-11 for many decades; I’ve read countless books on the subject.
I wasn’t really at rest with the topic until recently, when I came across John H. Walton’s book, The Lost World of Genesis 1.

Walton acknowledges that the worldview of the ancient world was as you describe, the firmament was a solid dome.

Yet Walton understands the process of how God reveal himself to humans differently. God wasn’t concerned with correcting ill-conceived worldviews, he desired much more than that.

Walton opens his book with this observation.

SO WHAT ARE THE CULTURAL IDEAS BEHIND Genesis 1? Our first proposition is that Genesis 1 is ancient cosmology. That is, it does not attempt to describe cosmology in modern terms or address modern questions. The Israelites received no revelation to update or modify their “scientific” understanding of the cosmos. They did not know that stars were suns; they did not know that the earth was spherical and moving through space; they did not know that the sun was much further away than the moon, or even further than the birds flying in the air. They believed that the sky was material (not vaporous), solid enough to support the residence of deity as well as to hold back waters. In these ways, and many others, they thought about the cosmos in much the same way that anyone in the ancient world thought, and not at all like anyone thinks today. And God did not think it important to revise their thinking. (p. 14)

Since God did not deem it necessary to communicate a different way of imagining the world to Israel but was content for them to retain the native ancient cosmic geography, we can conclude that it was not God’s purpose to reveal the details of cosmic geography (defined as the way one thinks about the shape of the cosmos). The shape of the earth, the nature of the sky, the locations of sun, moon and stars, are simply not of significance, and God could communicate what he desired regardless of one’s cosmic geography.

John H. Walton, The Lost World of Genesis One: Ancient Cosmology and the Origins Debate (Downers Grove, IL: IVP Academic, 2009), 14, 16.
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Rob

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[2Pillars]

Dear Rob,

Here's one of my favorite verses:

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

May the good Lord share you more wisdom and understanding.

God bless you and yours.


Note: Perhaps, if you review my earlier posts on this thread, it might be of help to what you are trying to prove and search for Scripturally. Good luck

 

[Deacon]

Note: Perhaps, if you review my earlier posts on this thread, it might be of help to what you are trying to prove and search for Scripturally. Good luck

Not trying to prove anything, just looking for understanding and wisdom.

Rob

 

[2Pillars]

Adam's direct descendant, Noah, arrived on our Earth, some 11k years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to him. History agrees and odd man out is the False ToE which is "willingly ignorant" 2Pe 3:5 of our true Human origins. You can read of the sexual compatibility of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants in Genesis 6:1-4

Today's Evols and some Religionists are totally ignorant that Human blood was contaminated by the blood of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry. Like Cain on the first world, they married the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) who were ALREADY here on our present planet when Noah arrived.

In the past some 10k years Humans have been scattered over the whole face of our Planet. Gen 11:9

There was but ONE way to scatter Humanity over the face of this whole Earth from Babel. All the LORD had to do was scatter the descendants of Noah, who were the ONLY Humans on this Earth at the time, and Adam's unique Human intelligence would naturally spread to the point where there are more than 7 Billion Humans on Earth today.

This gives the maximum of Humans who have a free choice to believe what God told us in Genesis, or to believe the Lies of Satan. God is filling the 3rd Heaven with believers Today. He will NOT rest until it is filled.

Remember, God created and brought forth Every Living Creature that moveth from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced "His /Their Kinds" (including mankind) from the dust of the ground, at the beginning of the 6th Day and brought them to Adam for him to name them. Thus, we are all confined to our own kinds in order to multiply and produce offspring.

Unfortunately, Scoffers of the Last Days remain ignorant of God’ Truth.

Can someone from Evols explain HOW domestication of plants appeared all over our planet, at about the same time Noah's arrival to our present World some 10k years ago? Scripture does:

Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of ALL the Earth: and they left off to build the city.

The Lord scattered Noah’s descendants all over the face of ALL the Earth from Babel at a time some 10k years ago - when man had NO way to travel and spread agriculture at the time. That is "evidence" that the above verse is True, scientifically, and historically. Unless, Evols can explain WHY evolution acted so SUDDENLY all over the Earth at the same time Modern Human civilization spread from Mesopotamia. Poor old gradual slow moving Evolution just doesn't work that way. Does it?

Notice also that the LORD scattered them to "build the city". City building is a trait of Humans, going all the way back to Cain, who built a city and named it for his son. City building is also a definition for Civilization. The LORD scattered Noah's descendants all over the world and Farming was spread to the whole world at the same time. Human civilization on this Planet can be traced to Noah. That's God's Truth.

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

I just showed WHERE and WHEN human farming began on this Earth and showed that it agreed with Scripture, Science and History. Can someone from Evols do the same with their understanding of their so called theory???

I promise not to laugh.

 

[2Pillars]

God tells us that Adam was made the 3rd Day after the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants grew. Gen. 2:4-7. The Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen. 1:9-10 The plants GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen. 1:12. This shows that the first Human, Adam, was formed of the dust of the ground LONG BEFORE ANY other living creature, before the plants, herbs, trees, Sun, Moon, Stars of our Cosmos, and "EVERY other living creature that moves" which came forth from the water on Day 5.

There is no interpretation needed since Science has measured the time since the Big Bang at 13.8 Billion years ago, and God shows it was 3 Days or Ages ago, which means that EACH of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time. God's Truth is the Truth Scientifically, Historically, and in EVERY other way, IF you can understand God's Holy Word.

God also tells us HOW and WHEN the Prehistoric Mankind (sons of God) on our Earth inherited the Human intelligence which is unique to Adam and his descendants. God calls prehistoric mankind / creatures whose origin was in the water on Day 5, is called the sons of God. Gen 1:21.

Today's Science confirms that EVERY living creature MUST have water to live since EVERY cell in our body would die without it.

The sons of God (prehistoric Mankind) married and produced the Humans on the first Earth, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. Genesis 4 tells us that Cain married and produced Enoch, his son, with a woman who could ONLY have brought forth from the water, as God told us in Gen 1:21 No Ancient Man could have possibly known this. Read it for yourself:

Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men (Heb-Adam), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The giants were giants intellectually as is shown at the end of the verse. They were the Humans of the first Earth, and they had agriculture, smelting, city building, and technology with little of NO evolution. Adam farmed with NO evolution, and Cain built a city with NO evolution, showing that Human intelligence is Superior to ANY creature made from the water.

The fulfillment of the prophecy of "and also after that" was fulfilled when Noah brought the human intelligence of Adam to Northern Mesopotamia in the mountains of Ararat. This happened some 10k years ago and the FIRST human cities and the FIRST agriculture, and the ONLY Human civilization on our Earth, PROVES it.

SUDDENLY, the sons of God, (prehistoric man) evolved the Human intelligence of Adam and changed from animal to Human intelligence. Prehistoric man settled down, built houses, cities, and developed math and writing, proving that anything is possible IF you have the intelligence of the first Human, Adam. Below is the empirical record of the arrival of the first Humans on this Earth:

Map: Fertile Crescent, 9000 to 4500 BCE....http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/fertilemap.html

In less than 1% of the time since the sons of God diverged from Chimps, on this Planet, they went from Caves to the Moon and back, and yet Evolutionists and other Pretenders seem to be totally ignorant of this Biblical Truth. Human' blood also inherited the ERVs of the Common Ancestor of Chimps thru Contamination... BUT Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor, but from our own common ancestor whose name is Adam.

God bless

Some Religionist and Evols are falsely implying that physical Giants (Gen 6:1-4) were produced when Fallen Angels married and produced these "Giants" with Humans. This is UnScriptural because:

Fallen Angels are kept in chains under the darkness until Judgment. Jude 1:6

So please explain Scripturally HOW fallen Angels, who do NOT marry nor produce children with Humans, got out of their Chains, came to Earth and produced these Giants?

Also, NO angel can be in Heaven IF they are made of Flesh, because flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. 1Co 15:50

Jesus also tells us that Angels do not marry. Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

The sons of God are what today's Science calls Prehistoric Mankind. They were creatures of FLESH (Gen 1:21) which made it possible for God to produce 7 Billion Humans on Earth today, from Noah's grandchildren, and the prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived.

Today's Humans contain the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandchildren married and produced children with the descendants of prehistoric people and the children INSTANTLY inherited Adam's Human intelligence which made them Giants Physically and Intellectually when compared to their mamas.

We know that prehistoric mankind had Flesh, just like Humans, because we find their bones all over the Earth from Millions of years ago, which was Millions of years BEFORE the FIRST Human, Noah, arrived on this planet of Apes, some 11k years ago. Like today's Humans, Noah grew some grapes, and made some wine and got drunk and passed out naked, in his tent. Gen 9:21 The is Scientific Proof that Noah was just like today's Humans.

Here’s a modern example of descendants of Animals changes Within its Kind thru Birthing Process = Hybrid Giant Offspring.… https://www.pinterest.ph/pin/359302876503224281/

BTW, Humans are the descendants of Adam and we were First made long BEFORE any other living creature. Gen 2:4-7

God bless

 

[2Pillars]

Some Religionist and Evols are falsely implying that physical Giants (Gen 6:1-4) were produced when Fallen Angels married and produced these "Giants" with Humans.

This is UnScriptural because:

Fallen Angels are kept in chains under the darkness until Judgment. Jude 1:6

So please explain Scripturally HOW fallen Angels, who do NOT marry nor produce children with Humans, got out of their Chains, came to Earth and produced these Giants?

Also, NO angel can be in Heaven IF they are made of Flesh, because flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. 1Co 15:50

Jesus also tells us that Angels do not marry. Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

The sons of God are what today's Science calls Prehistoric Mankind. They were creatures of FLESH (Gen 1:21) which made it possible for God to produce 7 Billion Humans on Earth today, from Noah's grandchildren, and the prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived.

Today's Humans contain the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandchildren married and produced children with the descendants of prehistoric people and the children INSTANTLY inherited Adam's Human intelligence which made them Giants Physically and Intellectually when compared to their mamas.

We know that prehistoric mankind had Flesh, just like Humans, because we find their bones all over the Earth from Millions of years ago, which was Millions of years BEFORE the FIRST Human, Noah, arrived on this planet of Apes, some 11k years ago. Like today's Humans, Noah grew some grapes, and made some wine and got drunk and passed out naked, in his tent. Gen 9:21 The is Scientific Proof that Noah was just like today's Humans.

Here’s a modern example of descendants of Animals changes Within its Kind thru Birthing Process = Hybrid Giant Offspring.… https://www.pinterest.ph/pin/359302876503224281/

BTW, Humans are the descendants of Adam and we were First made long BEFORE any other living creature. Gen 2:4-7

On the other hand,unless someone here believe in Macro-Evolution,there is no reason for anyone, with the proper frame of mind, to argue Scripturally that Fallen Angels are the ones being referred to as the sons of God in the context of Gen. 6:1-4. Here’s why:

Angels are spiritual beings and NOT made of FLESH and BONE, therefore, would not be able to have sex with Humans - so much so, produce offspring, together.

In fact,the continuing context of the verses - right below their noses - should be suffice enough to REFUTE the ERRORS and WILD IMAGINATIONS of men who hold this distorted Traditional Goatherder’s Theology. Read and learn:

[Gen 6:1-4 KJV] 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,.
v2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
v 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with Man, for that he ALSO [is] Flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Notice, the subject “Man” being referred to in the context of the text above is ALSO is made of Flesh - just like those sons of God (prehistoric mankind) Made of Flesh... and NOT spiritual being like those Angels in heaven, correct?

v4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

Obviously, the Lord was totally disgusted to see the daughters of men forming a union of marriage with the prehistoric creature/ mankind or sons of God. Gen 6:3 since the Lord knows that those combinations would produce men of brutish beast - mighty men of old.

Therefore, he cuts mankind's lifespan to 90%. Because...the more older the Heathens get, the more meaner they get.

Only willingly ignorant scoffers of the last days will continue to stumble to this Scriptural Truth.

Btw, Angels do NOT Die since they are made eternal Spiritual Beings and NOT flesh in order to cut their lifespan to 90% or physically live up 120 years only - as stated in the cited text above Gen 6:3.

God bless

 

[BenWest]

On the other hand,unless someone here believe in Macro-Evolution,there is no reason for anyone, with the proper frame of mind, to argue Scripturally that Fallen Angels are the ones being referred to as the sons of God in the context of Gen. 6:1-4. Here’s why:

Angels are spiritual beings and NOT made of FLESH and BONE, therefore, would not be able to have sex with Humans - so much so, produce offspring, together.

In fact,the continuing context of the verses - right below their noses - should be suffice enough to REFUTE the ERRORS and WILD IMAGINATIONS of men who hold this distorted Traditional Goatherder’s Theology. Read and learn:

[Gen 6:1-4 KJV] 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,.
v2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
v 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with Man, for that he ALSO [is] Flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Notice, the subject “Man” being referred to in the context of the text above is ALSO is made of Flesh - just like those sons of God (prehistoric mankind) Made of Flesh... and NOT spiritual being like those Angels in heaven, correct?

v4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

Obviously, the Lord was totally disgusted to see the daughters of men forming a union of marriage with the prehistoric creature/ mankind or sons of God. Gen 6:3 since the Lord knows that those combinations would produce men of brutish beast - mighty men of old.

Therefore, he cuts mankind's lifespan to 90%. Because...the more older the Heathens get, the more meaner they get.

Only willingly ignorant scoffers of the last days will continue to stumble to this Scriptural Truth.

Btw, Angels do NOT Die since they are made eternal Spiritual Beings and NOT flesh in order to cut their lifespan to 90% or physically live up 120 years only - as stated in the cited text above Gen 6:3.

God bless

Amen from Aman777. God bless you

 

[BenWest]

v4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

I love this verse and will add my view in Black

Genesis 6:4 There were (intellectual) giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, (on planet Earth) when the sons of God (Prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men, (Hebrew-Adam) and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

Today's Humans are the giants.We have a mind like God's Genesis 3:22 AND the DNA of prehistoric people. It first happened on Adam's Earth and also after that on the present Earth. Amen?

 

[Revmitchell]

Man the stuff that is showing up on this board lately is getting stupider and stupider.

 

[BenWest]

Man the stuff that is showing up on this board lately is getting stupider and stupider.

Isn't that what a message board is for? If you don't agree with a post, it is your duty to refute it Scripturally. Amen?

 

[Revmitchell]

Isn't that what a message board is for? If you don't agree with a post, it is your duty to refute it Scripturally. Amen?

Uh when you depend on man made science to understand scripture, treat it as if man made science is inerrant, and then attach scripture to it to justify your position you bow your credibility on having any kind of a reliable view of scripture and there is no common ground on which to have a conversation with anyone who values scripture properly.

 

[BenWest]

Uh when you depend on man made science to understand scripture, treat it as if man made science is inerrant, and then attach scripture to it to justify your position you bow your credibility on having any kind of a reliable view of scripture and there is no common ground on which to have a conversation with anyone who values scripture properly.

I cannot agree since the Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture. He is the Spirit of Truth and His Truth MUST be the Truth in every way, and it is. The problem is with the ancient Hebrew theologians which some continue to follow today. Their Theology is NOT true, Scripturally, scientifically, nor historically because ONLY the people of the last days have the "increased wisdom" to understand Scripture. Daniel 12:4 Amen?

 

[HankD]

Why bother?

 

[BenWest]

Why bother?

Maybe it would show that your ideas are true to Scripture, lest you lead someone astray. Can you tell me how to get to heaven, Scripturally?