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Salty

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In her world, simply reading the Qur'an makes her more of an authority on Muslims than those that have read the Qur'an and lived amongst them for extended periods of time. It's like she is trying to convince me and Woody that our eyes have deceived us and that our life experiences are easily dismissed.

Apparently since the two of you are not only GI's, but Combat Veterans - you must have no credibility.


But then again, what would I know - I'm just a VET.

Sgt Salty
 

Revmitchell

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In her world, simply reading the Qur'an makes her more of an authority on Muslims than those that have read the Qur'an and lived amongst them for extended periods of time.

Well there is that and her feminism. She is a strong woman and you, as a man, just cannot handle that. :laugh:
 

Use of Time

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I haven't agreed with much you have had to say in this thread, but that's just simple disagreement, something we do here routinely.

What you said above is a low blow.

Our people in uniform defend this country and follow orders while doing it. I don't believe an order has ever been given to "kill muslims". If our enemies happen to be muslim, so be it. Bur nobody is killing "muslims on orders".

You are new here. My opinion of you and your posts just dropped several notches. If you did not mean it like it sounded, an explanation is in order.

Hey man I know we have had our blowouts as of late but I just wanted to say that it means a lot to me that you were able to put that aside and have my back here. It is appreciated.
 

Sapper Woody

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I was going to respond again earlier, but had to calm down first.

I have killed terrorists. Yes, they happened to be Muslim. When two pickups of armed men assault your platoon, you kill them. I don't care if they were Bible believing born again Christians. Try to kill my men and I will end your life. Period. I'd do it again. Hopefully I never will have to.

But is that why I think I know Muslims? No. I know Muslims from befriending them. From stopping in their little villages and playing with their children (even though it's hard to play soccer in full battle rattle. Made it easy not to use my hands, holding my rifle though). I know it from having lunch with them. I know from escorting them to chow on a military post. I know from showering with them.

My point is, I know the Muslim community on a level that you, Catmommy, will never know. I've been face to face with terrorists, and eaten with others. I've trained them. I've discussed religion with them. I've asked them about their home towns, their hopes and dreams, and why they chose to side with America. And when shout and shove came to shoot, I've killed them.

Please, tell me about your vast experience with Muslims that outweighs mine and makes you an expert, that you can disagree with me. I'd love to sit at the feet of a true master.
 

Use of Time

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I was going to respond again earlier, but had to calm down first.

I have killed terrorists. Yes, they happened to be Muslim. When two pickups of armed men assault your platoon, you kill them. I don't care if they were Bible believing born again Christians. Try to kill my men and I will end your life. Period. I'd do it again. Hopefully I never will have to.

But is that why I think I know Muslims? No. I know Muslims from befriending them. From stopping in their little villages and playing with their children (even though it's hard to play soccer in full battle rattle. Made it easy not to use my hands, holding my rifle though). I know it from having lunch with them. I know from escorting them to chow on a military post. I know from showering with them.

My point is, I know the Muslim community on a level that you, Catmommy, will never know. I've been face to face with terrorists, and eaten with others. I've trained them. I've discussed religion with them. I've asked them about their home towns, their hopes and dreams, and why they chose to side with America. And when shout and shove came to shoot, I've killed them.

Please, tell me about your vast experience with Muslims that outweighs mine and makes you an expert, that you can disagree with me. I'd love to sit at the feet of a true master.

You'll always have a battle buddy in me Woody. Thank you for sharing that.
 

carpro

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Apparently since the two of you are not only GI's, but Combat Veterans - you must have no credibility.


But then again, what would I know - I'm just a VET.

Sgt Salty

No such thing as "just" a VET.

I salute your service, no matter where or when. :applause:
 

RLBosley

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Wow. I have never seen a poster start out seemingly alright (in other threads) then go totally left field and unite so many people completely against their position.

It was kind of impressive to "watch" actually...
 

Revmitchell

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No such thing as "just" a VET.

I salute your service, no matter where or when. :applause:

I don't know. I served in the Corps but I saw no combat. In the presence of those who have, and these days there are many, my service does not deserve a mention.
 

carpro

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I don't know. I served in the Corps but I saw no combat. In the presence of those who have, and these days there are many, my service does not deserve a mention.

That's in your mind, not mine. Don't sell your service short. All are needed and have a part to play.

If I remember right, it used to take 7 people to put 1 grunt on the ground in combat. That figure may be more like 4 to 1 now, but the principle remains the same.
 

Sapper Woody

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I don't know. I served in the Corps but I saw no combat. In the presence of those who have, and these days there are many, my service does not deserve a mention.
It's not the service, but the willingness to serve. Anyone who joins has done their part.
 

Revmitchell

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It's not the service, but the willingness to serve. Anyone who joins has done their part.

When you have to look a person in the eye who saw their buddies die or they lost limbs, my patroling an air station in southern California as an MP, seems like a day at one of the Sandals Resorts.
 
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Salty

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I don't know. I served in the Corps but I saw no combat. In the presence of those who have, and these days there are many, my service does not deserve a mention.

I am with Rev on this -
I served, but my respect does go to those who have been in a combat zone.
Yes, I spent many cold night pulling guard duty while in Germany - but I never had to worry about IED's, snipers, ect.


In 1970 I initially took a Solemn Oath to defend the Constitution of the United States - against all enemies, foreign and Domestic.
Be Advised, no one has ever relieved me of my duties under this oath.
 
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Don

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You've accepted the myth that it's only a small percentage of Muslims that are terrorist inclined.
When there is a Muslim population in the world tallying at least 1 billion individuals, that's quite a large number of 'small percentage' to contend with.

While myth of minority numbers it is.
Video:Ben Shapiro: The Myth of the Tiny Radical Muslim Minority
So the Army of God assassin (murdered an abortion doctor) speaks for you? Westboro Church speaks for you?

Careful how you answer that; if you say no, then you've invalidated your entire argument, as well as the "myth of small numbers"....
 

Don

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Well see, I asked a direct question. That he didn't answer was an answer.
All else is blustering after the fact. I'm a member of a number of Christian forums, and save for Christian forums, which is a pit owned by an atheist that exploits the faith for his own personal gain, I've not run across a gaggle of males so full of hate and loathing while attaching "Baptist" to themselves in the process in a long while.
I gotta tell ya: that paragraph made no sense to me. Could you dumb that down some more so I can figure out what you were trying to say?

Anyone who's read the Qur'an twice knows it isn't referred to as the Koran. Further, they know something about Islam and Muslims. Which has yet to be in evidence in this thread.
What's been evidenced here is that you've just conversed with people who have actual experience , as opposed to those authors you're giving more credit to. Consider: your authors have studied islamic culture. People on this forum have lived it.

Who do you trust? The person who says the sky is green because of the chemicals found in collected samples? Or the one who says it's blue because they actually stepped outside and looked?

Oh, and someone who was in the field of battle either killed or contributed to the killing of an enemy due to their presence there.
Dang skippy on that one. Carved notches in my pistol grip for each one I heard about getting killed, too.

You know what I found funniest? The muslim who showed me which drawer he kept his bottle of Scotch. He knew his Qu'ran just as well as the one who they all made fun of because he was devout. Habib the terp was the most polite, respectful, and well-mannered of our group of terps in Afghanistan. And let me tell ya, the guys in the Green Zone in Baghdad thought they had it bad because they had to dodge mortars and rockets once in a while; while me and my two team members, along with about 38 Italians and 80 Fijians and ex-pats, were going to bed surrounded by 1,200 Iraqis each night.

When your authors can talk about islam in terms of living amongst it, like Sapped and others can, then maybe I'll give 'em a cursory read.

It's easy to call the sky blue. But maybe ya oughta stick yer head out the window and see if yer right.

And just so we're crystal clear on what I'm trying to say: It's easy to hate the sinner, forgetting to separate them from the sin. But that means you're just full of hate.
 
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Bro. Curtis

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I have a Navy Expedition Medal for our actions in the Gulf of Sidra, the only action I saw, but t'd I have stood my share of intel intercept missions in the Persian Gulf. Got shot at and missed, but $#!& at and hit, as we used to say.


Got nothing but respect for anyone who has ever pounded some ground.
 
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