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Non-Christians in Heaven?

Will there be non-Christians in heaven?

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Van

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Yeshua1 said:
We know that when He ascended He took them with Him, as per Paul!
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Not what you said!!! You need to stop making things up, and support your assertions from scripture. You need to answer when questions are asked of you.
 
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MB

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Hollow Man said:
Your ignorance of scripture and of elementary Christian doctrines is duly noted.
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It isn't my ignorance but yours and it's showing by your attack on my character. You must have not have scripture or the knowledge of how to deal with what I said. [edited]


MB
 
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canadyjd

canadyjd

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Baptist Believer said:
Willard believed that everyone who is saved is saved through Jesus, so the work that Jesus did on the cross was essential.

Instead of relying on RevMitchell's memory, you can read an explanation of his view in "Knowing Christ Today: Why We Can Trust Spiritual Knowledge." In that book, he explains how the gospel is not really about belief, but about knowing Christ and having faith in Him based upon that knowledge. Christian pluralism (as opposed to simple pluralism) is one of the things he discusses in relation to that view of the Christian faith.

If you want a very brief treatment of the subject, you can look at this interview article, Rethinking Evangelism, published in 2001, where he touches on it. Be sure to read it from the beginning, so you will have the appropriate context. Willard didn't write it, but the interviewer(s) do a decent job of presenting his view.
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I followed the link and it was an interesting read. Thank you. I found him to be insightful at many points. He clearly puts primacy on Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected, and the transformed life of believers.

However, I understand how someone could believe Willard holds to the possibility that a person “outside Christian culture”, as he puts it, could be saved.

I think it’s a misunderstanding of his position to say he believes non-Christians can be saved, as he clearly states only Jesus saves.

However, he does make comments that could could be interpreted as allowing for the possibility that God the “Logos” might work in some other way (outside the gospel?) to bring someone to salvation.

I hold that scripture is clear that the gospel of Jesus Christ is essential for salvation. Beyond that, I liked what he had to say.

peace to you
 
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Hollow Man

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MB said:
It isn't my ignorance but yours and it's showing by your attack on my character.
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Actually, I never said anything about your character. But the fact that you falsely accuse me of attacking your character, as well as your name calling and insults, says a lot about your character, or lack of it.
 
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MB

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Hollow Man said:
Don't look at me. I put the fool on ignore a while ago.
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I never even posted you. You're the one who insulted me first. Now you're trying to make it look like my fault. Like I said you act like a spoiled little girl who doesn't get what she wants. Actually you are unable to debate with a civil tongue. And you can\' prove you're elect because you haven't read who Paul was speaking to. It's simply asinine. Your the one who is bionically ignorant.
MB
 
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Steven Yeadon

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I'll say that I do not know how God will be fair with those that never hear the Gospel or who die as children. He will be impartial and fair, I believe.
 
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AustinC

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Steven Yeadon said:
I'll say that I do not know how God will be fair with those that never hear the Gospel or who die as children. He will be impartial and fair, I believe.
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If God chose to send everyone to hell, he is just (fair).
Anyone who God chooses to pardon is pardoned by God's grace alone.
Those who are pardoned are graciously given this pardon only because God received the just penalty of death upon himself so that they could live.

People who do not hear the gospel are not innocent. But, it should spur Christians today to share the gospel so that all might hear. However, God will ensure that those he chooses to graciously save will hear the gospel and believe.
 
canadyjd

canadyjd

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Shoostie said:
Faith doesn't require being right in the details, even the big details.
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Some are essential. Christ died for our sins, according to scripture. He was buried and raised from the dead, according to the scripture. And He was seen by more than 500 people.

peace to you
 
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Yeshua1

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canadyjd said:
I followed the link and it was an interesting read. Thank you. I found him to be insightful at many points. He clearly puts primacy on Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected, and the transformed life of believers.

However, I understand how someone could believe Willard holds to the possibility that a person “outside Christian culture”, as he puts it, could be saved.

I think it’s a misunderstanding of his position to say he believes non-Christians can be saved, as he clearly states only Jesus saves.

However, he does make comments that could could be interpreted as allowing for the possibility that God the “Logos” might work in some other way (outside the gospel?) to bring someone to salvation.

I hold that scripture is clear that the gospel of Jesus Christ is essential for salvation. Beyond that, I liked what he had to say.

peace to you
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No Gospel preached/taught, there can be no salvation!
 
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Yeshua1

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AustinC said:
If God chose to send everyone to hell, he is just (fair).
Anyone who God chooses to pardon is pardoned by God's grace alone.
Those who are pardoned are graciously given this pardon only because God received the just penalty of death upon himself so that they could live.

People who do not hear the gospel are not innocent. But, it should spur Christians today to share the gospel so that all might hear. However, God will ensure that those he chooses to graciously save will hear the gospel and believe.
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ALL whom God has elected and chosen in Christ Jesus shall be saved, so he will make sure all who are to get saved will hear or read the Gospel somehow, and He will choose to be gracious towards infants.
 
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Yeshua1

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canadyjd said:
Some are essential. Christ died for our sins, according to scripture. He was buried and raised from the dead, according to the scripture. And He was seen by more than 500 people.

peace to you
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Thank God that He does not require us to pass a Romans exam before we can get saved!
 
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