canadyjd
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“Body”: soma: flesh: physical: transformed in some way we cannot understand this side of heaven into a “spiritual body” (characteristics of both) that is immortal and incorruptible.
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Non-physical Humanity (was Millennium Thread)
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SavedByGrace
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then what does it mean?
Flesh and bone, yes, but spiritual flesh and bone. The nature of the rose is not the nature of the seed that was planted. Thou sowest not that body that shall be
George Antonios
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Agreed.
SavedByGrace
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Interesting in 1 Cor 15:44, and 46, we have the English "spiritual" and "natural". The former is "πνευματικός", literally, "of spirit, spiritual, breathing". the latter is "ψυχικός", which means, "of the soul or life, spiritual, the spirit, or breath of life". Not the same word used by Paul is Romans 1:26, for example, which is, "φῠσικός", which is, "by nature, naturally, physical, in born".
SavedByGrace
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see #45
Oh, okay, you can accuse me of not having Scripture, but only theologians, and that's okay. Got it!
I'm not just disagreeing with you here, I am challenging you.
Again, here it is: When did Jesus lose His body? That would be a huge deal. It would be the reversal of the Incarnation.
Careful what you say of the BB's golden boy.
I'm bemused. A couple of folks here think I get offended at small slights. The truth is, I believe that offensive language, small or great, should always be confronted. This is in obedience to Christ, Who taught that if I am offensive, I should make it right (Matt. 5:23-24), and if I am offended, I should make it right (Matt. 18:15-16). So if you are offensive to me on the BB, even if it is slight, I am going to confront you about it. That's Biblical. You don't have to like that, and you don't have to like me, but I will operate on these principles given by Jesus.
In this case, on this thread what is extremely offensive to me is the idea that the Incarnation of Christ was somehow reversed. THAT is incredibly offensive to me, and it should be to all thinking Christians. And it is offensive to Christ Himself.
In this case, on this thread what is extremely offensive to me is the idea that the Incarnation of Christ was somehow reversed. THAT is incredibly offensive to me, and it should be to all thinking Christians. And it is offensive to Christ Himself.
George Antonios
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We're not talking about your being offended at false doctrine, nor about how to handle offence.
(Most of us reject the utterly false teaching that Christ rose as a mere spirit. In fact, I think that doctrine flirts with the spirit of antichrist.)
Thanks. This is one reason I asked for an explanation of physical earlier. There can be a lot of talking in circles when different people mean different things when using the word "physical."
I had forgotten to add the following (It was either brought up in this thread or the other one, I forget.) Someone had mentioned about the supposed lack of Biblical comment concerning the change between His Incarnational/resurrection body and the one He has now. Well, there is no explicit statement to that effect. However there is also no explicit statement in the Bible that says "Jesus is God". Yet that latter truth is clearly proven by putting several verses together.
The same holds true for the present essence of Christ.
The clearest proof of Christ's essence now, I believe, is the section I just posted earlier today, 1 Cor. 15:42-49, Post #36.
But another answer to consider is that God does not tell us everything we think we need to know. We do not know what the Seven Thunders uttered. There were also many things that were never explained in the OT or hidden in very cryptic passages.
The same holds true for the present essence of Christ.
The clearest proof of Christ's essence now, I believe, is the section I just posted earlier today, 1 Cor. 15:42-49, Post #36.
But another answer to consider is that God does not tell us everything we think we need to know. We do not know what the Seven Thunders uttered. There were also many things that were never explained in the OT or hidden in very cryptic passages.
Another question relative to the Greek and or language.
and God doth give to it (masculine Dative) a body (neuter) according as He willed, and to each of the seeds its proper body.(neuter)
What is the, "it"? Does the Masculine it refer back to the masculine dead ones of verse 35 or is the masculine it the same as the neuter body which is also in verse 35?
I contend the dead ones are people/souls with a body, And it is souls with body that is resurrected just as spoken of Christ in Acts 2:31 By resurrection the soul of him was not left in Hades and by resurrection his body of flesh did not see corruption.
George Antonios
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And we thought that the dark ages when only the priests who knew Latin could elucidate the scriptures were past...
...lol, how bout 'den of Dispies'?
I find interesting.
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body;
σπείρεται σῶμα ψυχικόν (? Needing air in the blood?) ἐγείρεται σῶμα πνευματικόν ἔστιν σῶμα ψυχικόν καὶ ἔστιν σῶμα πνευματικόν
From Gen 2:7 LXX καὶ ἐγένετο ὁ ἄνθρωπος εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν
And he is becoming the man into soul living.
The man of natural body needing air for life
The man of spiritual body life within itself
John 5:21,26 'For, as the Father doth raise the dead, and doth make alive, so also the Son doth make alive whom he willeth; for, as the Father hath life in himself, so He gave also to the Son to have life in himself,
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle -- not from men, nor through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who did raise him out of the dead --
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body;
σπείρεται σῶμα ψυχικόν (? Needing air in the blood?) ἐγείρεται σῶμα πνευματικόν ἔστιν σῶμα ψυχικόν καὶ ἔστιν σῶμα πνευματικόν
From Gen 2:7 LXX καὶ ἐγένετο ὁ ἄνθρωπος εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν
And he is becoming the man into soul living.
The man of natural body needing air for life
The man of spiritual body life within itself
John 5:21,26 'For, as the Father doth raise the dead, and doth make alive, so also the Son doth make alive whom he willeth; for, as the Father hath life in himself, so He gave also to the Son to have life in himself,
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle -- not from men, nor through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who did raise him out of the dead --
George Antonios
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What's the deal with the passion behind the anti-dispensationalist sentiment?
SavedByGrace
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there is no need to translate the Greek article here. why would you?
Why the sanctimony? What's the deal with the passion behind the anti-Calvinist sentiment?
Are you speaking of 1 Cor. 15:38 here? If so, here is the English: "But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body."
Now, the "it" in the KJV is masculine and in the dative case, as you say. Since it is a pronoun, it must refer to a masculine antecedent, which is kokkon (κόκκον, accusative, from κόκκος), grain (KJV) or wheat seed, in v. 35.
I completely agree with you that souls receive a resurrected body. And it must be physical, or the word "resurrection" has no meaning.