Normalized Heterosexual Fornication, Lust, etc.

[Yeshua1]

Hey Saturneptune. Hope you're having a great Fourth!!!

Great question.

I believe Scripture says that the marriage bed is undefiled, meaning two married people can do whatever together. But that doesn't mean they can't defile it by bringing in someone or something that isn't supposed to be there.

They can still lust or try to add another person, etc. Those things are definitely sinful within the context of marriage.

That's how I explain it to couples who say it's okay for them to watch porn TOGETHER and that it's okay because they are married.

The marriage covenant with God does not give two people the right to sin against God.

Do yopu agree with paul that homosexual acts are a persion of the intended order, an unnartural act, against what God created and means to be the "normal and correct" way?

 

[Zaac]

Do yopu agree with paul that homosexual acts are a persion of the intended order, an unnartural act, against what God created and means to be the "normal and correct" way?

Do you agree with God that heterosexual sex acts outside of marriage are a perversion of the intended order, an unnatural act, against what God created and means to be the "normal and correct" way?

 

[Zaac]

God Himself has declared that homosexual acts and practices are unnatural, so if a straight commits fornication, and a gay person sexual acts, God does indeed see them dirrefently, as while BOTH are sin, one is done in a natural intended fashion, other unnatural perverted fashion!

:laugh: That is utterly preposterous and CLEARLY your opinion, but no doubt one that lots of folks in the Church hold.

Heterosexual fornication-God's natural intended fashion for having sex? I've heard it all now.

And are you advocating gay persons do NOT cease their lifestyle IF they are claiming to be saved now?

You seem to be hearing what you want to hear. Oh well.

 

[Yeshua1]

Do you agree with God that heterosexual sex acts outside of marriage are a perversion of the intended order, an unnatural act, against what God created and means to be the "normal and correct" way?

When starights commit sexual sinning, that act is the sin, when gay person commit the sexual sinful acts, its BOTH the act and the fact that its same sex doing it...

God created sexual relations to be a man and woman, period, ANY relations done outside marriage wrong, but Homosexual acts additionally unnatural!

NEVER intended same sex relations!

 

[Yeshua1]

Do you agree with God that heterosexual sex acts outside of marriage are a perversion of the intended order, an unnatural act, against what God created and means to be the "normal and correct" way?

The sexual act would be natural and as intended, but is sinning dueto being outside marriage relationship

Homosexual acts forbidden period!

 

[Zaac]

When starights commit sexual sinning, that act is the sin, when gay person commit the sexual sinful acts, its BOTH the act and the fact that its same sex doing it...

No wonder the world has so many in the church on ignore. When this type of sheer hypocrisy rolls out our mouths, they are right to not listen to such unBiblical mess.

When straight people have sex outside of God ordained marriage (between 1 husband and his one wife), it's fornication. When homosexuals have sex outside God ordained marriage, it's fornication. The fact that it's the same sex doing it? Ask yourself the serious question. If you take away the "doing it", what are you left with?"

You'd be saying "it's Both the act and the fact that it's the same sex".

That's borderline crazy. All sin is an ACT. The same sex is not an act. You're just trying to invent a special category of sin.:laugh:

What you said is the equivalent of saying with bestiality, BOTH the act and the fact that you're having sex, with, i.e., a dog are two sins.

You're talking about the SAME act.

God created sexual relations to be a man and woman, period, ANY relations done outside marriage wrong, but Homosexual acts additionally unnatural!

That's your opinion because what you stated is NOY Biblical truth. Fornication is fornication. And homosexual fornication is no more unnatural than heterosexual fornication.

NEVER intended same sex relations!

He never intended for heterosexual fornication, nor murder, nor idolatry nor any other sin.

 

[Zaac]

The sexual act would be natural and as intended,

And THIS is my point with you. You're so dead set with making homosexual sex acts a special class of sin, that you don't even realize APPARENTLY that you're saying that heterosexual fornication is natural and intended by God.

What Bible are you getting this from?

but is sinning dueto being outside marriage relationship

Same with heterosexual fornication.

Homosexual acts forbidden period!

Heterosexual fornication is forbidden period. Again, your statement seems to be attempting to put forth the notion that heterosexual fornication isn't forbidden because it's between a man and a woman.

Where in God's word does He tell you it's okay to commit ANY sin?