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Except none of those verses speak of such a redemption. You are reading that into the verses.

 

I don't tell ANYONE Christ paid for their sins. I call for them to repent and believe, and follow Christ. Is there a verse where someone while evangelizing told a sinner that Christ paid for their sin? I'm asking, I don't know the answer, I do not believe there is.

 

That is probably NOT the point that they are making. John Wesley is probably the father of modern "synergystic" theology (the Methodist Church and Holiness Movement sprang from his teaching) but I doubt Wesley ever suggested what you are about evangelism.

We need to reject what others actually believe and not some imaginary caricature of their beliefs.

 

So if its the non redemptive then it cant save. There is no reason to put faith in a non redemptive death of Christ.

 

We would not know who the elect are of the Lord, so would give to all same Gospel, and allow God to do His saving work!

 

was just clarifying if that is the position was being held here

 

Which is what I said.

 

You need to define called.

 

So then you believe what a person does " put faith in" is what makes the death of Christ redemptive, thats salvation by works, by what a person does.

 

Christ did not die to make sinners savable if they would meet certain conditions. That would be salvation by works, not grace.

He did not die for all sinners without exception so as to make their salvation conditioned upon their believing. He died to save His people from their sins Matt 1:21 and thereby, warranting that they would believe and repent.

 

You admitted it, that is salvation by works, conditioned on man.

 

You still conditioning salvation on works, a requirement.

 

Which is why I said you need to define called.