Not to Vaccinate is a Sin

[alatide]

Just what we need, the government telling us what sin is. :BangHead:

The author is a Jewish rabbi. I don't think that qualifies as "the government."

 

[alatide]

None of my children have received vaccinations of any kind. You see, everything in life involves risk. There are risks to vaccinating and risks to not vaccinating. And in life, we must make choices that make us most comfortable with which risk we are choosing. We made our choice and others made theirs.

I definitely don't like the idea that the government can force certain medical procedures on the whole population. I'm more afraid of that than of flu vaccines!

Obviously, you know nothing about what a blessing the vaccinations against smallpox and polio were.

 

[alatide]

Should we be willing to help our brother - yes!

Should we force him to accept our help - NO!
And likewise we should not be forced to accept something we so choose not to.

Salty

Christian Scientists refuse all medical care. This is their right but do you think it's prudent?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Second, you dont' look a day over 45, so you better start sharing the secret to your longevity.
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Not injecting substances into my body that may be harmful.

http://www.flatheadbeacon.com/artic...et_first_shipment_of_swine_flu_vaccine/13396/

...The initial shipment is in the nasal spray form of the vaccine and will be given to a small segment of the target populations recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Those groups include pregnant women, people who live with or care for children younger than 6 months of age, health care workers, children between the ages of 6 months and 2 years and people from the ages of 25 through 64 with chronic health problems or comprised immune systems...

That's Montana. Looks like, in the effort to guilt-trip people into taking a vaccine, the writers of C.T.Boy's article didn't look up facts.

 

[annsni]

Not injecting substances into my body that may be harmful.

http://www.flatheadbeacon.com/artic...et_first_shipment_of_swine_flu_vaccine/13396/

...The initial shipment is in the nasal spray form of the vaccine and will be given to a small segment of the target populations recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Those groups include pregnant women, people who live with or care for children younger than 6 months of age, health care workers, children between the ages of 6 months and 2 years and people from the ages of 25 through 64 with chronic health problems or comprised immune systems...

That's Montana. Looks like, in the effort to guilt-trip people into taking a vaccine, the writers of C.T.Boy's article didn't look up facts.

Wait a minute - those are the groups that are NOT recommended to get the nasal spray form of the vaccine. Other than the health care workers, the rest are NOT to get it. From the CDC website:

Who should not be vaccinated with the 2009 H1N1 nasal-spray flu vaccine LAIV?

Certain people should not get a nasal spray flu vaccine, including the 2009 H1N1 nasal spray vaccine. This includes:

* People younger than 2 years of age;
* Pregnant women;
* People 50 years of age and older;
* People with a medical condition that places them at higher risk for complications from influenza, including those with chronic heart or lung disease, such as asthma or reactive airways disease; people with medical conditions such as diabetes or kidney failure; or people with illnesses that weaken the immune system, or who take medications that can weaken the immune system;
* Children younger than 5 years old with a history of recurrent wheezing;
* Children or adolescents receiving aspirin therapy;
* People who have had Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS), a rare disorder of the nervous system, within 6 weeks of getting a flu vaccine,
* People who have a severe allergy to chicken eggs or who are allergic to any of the nasal spray vaccine components.

from http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/nasalspray_qa.htm

 

[annsni]

I went to the doctor today for a bad rash I have. Interestingly enough, they are out of and not sure they can get any more seasonal flu vaccine. Additionally they will not give the H1N1 vaccine because they do not support it or recommend it. There are 5 doctors in that practice.

 

[exscentric]

They set aside the seasonal production to increase the h1n1 production.

I think there is a mass of misinformation from somebody, won't point to the media since it could come from anywhere in the information chain.

I've heard on national news contradictions to the point I have no idea what might be the correct information.

Makes me think somethins goin on but then that would make me a radical conspiracy terrorist so let's see - what are my options? As we used to say in the navy, When in trouble when in doubt run in circles, scream and shout! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! :thumbs:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Wait a minute - those are the groups that are NOT recommended to get the nasal spray form of the vaccine. Other than the health care workers, the rest are NOT to get it. From the CDC website:



from http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/nasalspray_qa.htm

Hmmm, looks to me like they don't know what they're doing.

Is it sin to experiment with your body's immune system like this ? Is it sin to give different folks conflicting information ? C.T.Boy ? Can y'help us out here ?

 

[alatide]

They set aside the seasonal production to increase the h1n1 production.

I think there is a mass of misinformation from somebody, won't point to the media since it could come from anywhere in the information chain.

I've heard on national news contradictions to the point I have no idea what might be the correct information.

Makes me think somethins goin on but then that would make me a radical conspiracy terrorist so let's see - what are my options? As we used to say in the navy, When in trouble when in doubt run in circles, scream and shout! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! :thumbs:

I took the seasonal shot yesterday. it's available.

 

[exscentric]

Did not say they were out everwhere, only that they cut production which they did unless the news wasn't telling the truth.

I got one a week ago in a two day clinic but the second day was canceled due to no stuff - hasn't been resceduled due to no product.

 

[rbell]

Additionally they will not give the H1N1 vaccine because they do not support it or recommend it. There are 5 doctors in that practice.

CTB simply ignores stuff like this. He'll come back later and smugly remind us of how stupid us bumpkins are for not taking the shot.

You forget: you didn't take the shot...thus, you are uneducated, live in a double-wide, and probably married your brother.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Yup. And he'll tell us conservatives can't read articles with big words in them. Then he'll tell us we need to study about how Christ told us to treat others.

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

Swine Flue Vaccination may be bad for you!

I received this email today and I don't know if it is true or not, but it makes sense (at least to me).

I checked , http://www.snopes.com and http://www.truthorfiction.com, and neither of them have anything about this article. I did not have time to Google for it, so if anyone finds out if it is TRUE or FALSE, please let me know. I am posting it in good faith and pray you all receive it in the same spirit.

This article DOES explain why the younger generation is receiving this shot and they are dying anyway. According to this article the vaccination is KILLING them.!

DR. RUSSELL BLAYLOCK ON SWINE FLU

This is an email sent to a friend of Dr. Blaylock and is now being forwarded to anyone interested. Please pass it along.

Also note the attached biography of Dr. Blaylock. Dr. Blaylock is a board
certified neurosurgeon, author and lecturer. He attended the LSU School of Medicine in New Orleans and completed his general surgical internship and neurological residency at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston , SC.

No one should take this vaccine (Swine Flu vaccine)—it is one of the most dangerous vaccines ever devised.

It contains an immune adjuvant called squalene (MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe autoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus.

This is the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War syndrome, which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200% increase in the fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease).

This virus H1N1 kills by causing a “cytokine storm”, which means that it causes the body’s immune system to overreact and that is why it is killing young people and is a mild disease in the elderly.

(The elderly have weakened immune systems.) This vaccine is a very powerful immune stimulator and carries the real possibility of making the lethality of the virus much greater.

One’s best protection is vitamin D3.. One should take 5000 IU a day now and when the disease begins to spread increase the dose to 15,000 IU a day.

Vitamin D3 modulates the immune reaction, reducing the chance of an overreaction and stimulates the body to produce what are called antimicrobial peptides, which are powerful killers of viruses that does not involve immunity. This is dose related, which means the higher the dose of vitamin D3 the better the protection.

Fish oils (the best is Carlson’s Norwegian lemon flavored fish oil) also reduce immune overreaction. One teaspoon a day should be sufficient. For severe symptoms, one teaspoon twice a day.

Antioxidants of various kinds also help—this includes, quercetin, cur cumin,
grape seed extract, vitamin C and natural vitamin E. A good multivitamin/mineral such as Extend Core www.vrp.com is also essential.

Feel free to spread this around. People need to know how to protect themselves.

Also, see this link:
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/200...than-swine-flu

This is one Granny who is NOT getting the shot!
§ue :flower:

 

[Revmitchell]

I received this email today and I don't know if it is true or not, but it makes sense (at least to me).

I checked , http://www.snopes.com and http://www.truthorfiction.com, and neither of them have anything about this article. I did not have time to Google for it, so if anyone finds out if it is TRUE or FALSE, please let me know. I am posting it in good faith and pray you all receive it in the same spirit.

This article DOES explain why the younger generation is receiving this shot and they are dying anyway. According to this article the vaccination is KILLING them.!



This is one Granny who is NOT getting the shot!
§ue :flower:

I posted a link to his site which gives this information in an earlier debate.

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

Sorry, Bro. Mitchell. Lately, due to ongoing health problems I have not been able to check in and read as many threads as I used to. I missed the whole thing!

So this information is true then?

 

[Revmitchell]

Sorry, Bro. Mitchell. Lately, due to ongoing health problems I have not been able to check in and read as many threads as I used to. I missed the whole thing!

So this information is true then?

I did not say that as a criticism but as a supplement to your post. Yes it is true that it is his information.

 

[Alcott]

Christian Scientists refuse all medical care. This is their right but do you think it's prudent?

No, because they don't carry Prudential Insurance.

 

[Amy.G]

Around here it doesn't matter because there are no more flu shots available.

 

[alatide]

I received this email today and I don't know if it is true or not, but it makes sense (at least to me).

I checked , http://www.snopes.com and http://www.truthorfiction.com, and neither of them have anything about this article. I did not have time to Google for it, so if anyone finds out if it is TRUE or FALSE, please let me know. I am posting it in good faith and pray you all receive it in the same spirit.

This article DOES explain why the younger generation is receiving this shot and they are dying anyway. According to this article the vaccination is KILLING them.!



This is one Granny who is NOT getting the shot!
§ue :flower:

NYT

October 7, 2009
Why Are We Afraid of the New Flu Vaccine?
By Tara Parker-Pope

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/07/why-are-we-afraid-of-the-new-flu-vaccine/?em&apage=9
Nati Harnik/Associated Press Clayton Mathiason, 3, received the nasal spray vaccine in Omaha.

Recently, a mother I know told me that her doctor has urged her to get the new H1N1 flu shot for her two children, who both have asthma. She already gives her children the regular seasonal flu shot, but for reasons she can’t really explain, she’s nervous about the new flu vaccine.

She’s not alone. Talk shows and Internet sites are abuzz with questions and fears about getting vaccinated against the novel H1N1 virus, often called swine flu. The popular Web site Mercola.com is urging parents not to get the flu vaccine, and even the talk show host Bill Maher posted a warning about the new flu shot to his more than 50,000 followers on Twitter. A University of Michigan poll found that 60 percent of parents surveyed do not plan to vaccinate their children against H1N1.

Now, as the first doses become available, government officials are trying to combat myths and fears about the novel H1N1 flu and the vaccine that can prevent it, Donald G. McNeil Jr. of The New York Times reported on Wednesday.

Much of the fear stems from a vaccine debacle more than 30 years ago. In 1976, a swine flu vaccine was associated with Guillain-Barré syndrome (pronounced ghee-YAN bah-RAY), in which the body damages its own nerve cells, causing weakness and sometimes paralysis. The reasons are unclear. Some studies found no link. Another study suggested that one person in every one million vaccinated for seasonal flu might be at risk for Guillain-Barré.
But the problems in 1976 have nothing to do with the current vaccine, which is produced in the same fashion as the regular flu vaccine. An article in this week’s New Yorker by Michael Specter summed it up well. In it, Mr. Specter writes:

Though this H1N1 virus is novel, the vaccine is not. It was made and tested in exactly the same way that flu vaccines are always made and tested. Had this strain of flu emerged just a few months earlier, there would not have been any need for two vaccines this year; 2009 H1N1 would simply have been included as one of the components in the annual vaccine.
Meanwhile, the virus has now appeared in a hundred and ninety-one countries. It has killed almost four thousand people and infected millions of others. The risks are clear and so are the facts. But, while scientists and public-health officials have dealt effectively with the disease, they increasingly confront a different kind of contagion: the spurious alarms spread by those who would make us fear vaccines more than the illnesses they prevent.

 

[annsni]

NYT

October 7, 2009
Why Are We Afraid of the New Flu Vaccine?
By Tara Parker-Pope

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/07/why-are-we-afraid-of-the-new-flu-vaccine/?em&apage=9
Nati Harnik/Associated Press Clayton Mathiason, 3, received the nasal spray vaccine in Omaha.

Recently, a mother I know told me that her doctor has urged her to get the new H1N1 flu shot for her two children, who both have asthma. She already gives her children the regular seasonal flu shot, but for reasons she can’t really explain, she’s nervous about the new flu vaccine.

She’s not alone. Talk shows and Internet sites are abuzz with questions and fears about getting vaccinated against the novel H1N1 virus, often called swine flu. The popular Web site Mercola.com is urging parents not to get the flu vaccine, and even the talk show host Bill Maher posted a warning about the new flu shot to his more than 50,000 followers on Twitter. A University of Michigan poll found that 60 percent of parents surveyed do not plan to vaccinate their children against H1N1.

Now, as the first doses become available, government officials are trying to combat myths and fears about the novel H1N1 flu and the vaccine that can prevent it, Donald G. McNeil Jr. of The New York Times reported on Wednesday.

Much of the fear stems from a vaccine debacle more than 30 years ago. In 1976, a swine flu vaccine was associated with Guillain-Barré syndrome (pronounced ghee-YAN bah-RAY), in which the body damages its own nerve cells, causing weakness and sometimes paralysis. The reasons are unclear. Some studies found no link. Another study suggested that one person in every one million vaccinated for seasonal flu might be at risk for Guillain-Barré.
But the problems in 1976 have nothing to do with the current vaccine, which is produced in the same fashion as the regular flu vaccine. An article in this week’s New Yorker by Michael Specter summed it up well. In it, Mr. Specter writes:

Though this H1N1 virus is novel, the vaccine is not. It was made and tested in exactly the same way that flu vaccines are always made and tested. Had this strain of flu emerged just a few months earlier, there would not have been any need for two vaccines this year; 2009 H1N1 would simply have been included as one of the components in the annual vaccine.
Meanwhile, the virus has now appeared in a hundred and ninety-one countries. It has killed almost four thousand people and infected millions of others. The risks are clear and so are the facts. But, while scientists and public-health officials have dealt effectively with the disease, they increasingly confront a different kind of contagion: the spurious alarms spread by those who would make us fear vaccines more than the illnesses they prevent.

IF this is true, why has there had to be testing for it to check on it's efficacy and safety?