Not under Law --Under Grace!

[Brother Bob]

Hard to call it sin? God specifically tells us not to do it.

God says "Do not commit adultery" and its sin if we do, and God tells us "Do not worry", but its not sin if we do?

You believe that if we disobey God its not sin?

Mike

If God says "don't do it" and we do then its sin. That is not what I said. I have the KJV and it is telling me to "take no thought of these things", now if it is saying do not doubt then it is sin. My Bible does not say "not to worry".

 

[Brother Bob]

But I dont think you and DHK are really contradicting each other. I believe he is adressing it from a different context.

God bless,

Mike

Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Sin is the transgression of the Law. If God says 'Thou shalt not,' then you'd better not.

Doubting is sin. 'Whatsoever is not of faith is sin'.

GE:
There was a man, a publican, who stood praying - praying, yes - who prayed: Be merciful upon ME, a Sinner!
Being just me, it makes me this sinner I am -- God be merciful upon ME!
Not upon this or that ugly thing I did; not even upon this or that great deed I did (for You o Lord), but, be merciful upon ME!

Because I, am sin and the best of me, is filthy, stinking, rags.

 

[Amy.G]

If God says "don't do it" and we do then its sin. That is not what I said. I have the KJV and it is telling me to "take no thought of these things", now if it is saying do not doubt then it is sin. My Bible does not say "not to worry".

I think "take no thought" is the same as "don't worry". It means, don't dwell on it, don't even think about it.

 

[Brother Bob]

Roman. 7:
22: For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Again Amy;
You do have it right.

 

[Brother Bob]

I think "take no thought" is the same as "don't worry". It means, don't dwell on it, don't even think about it.

I really had never considered this as a sin but it could be I guess.

He said a lot of things to "comfort us".

 

[Amy.G]

Bro. Bob, we had a discussion about this very verse in SS one day. I think the sin is in the fact that when we worry, it is because we have taken our focus off of the Lord and placed it on ourselves. (how can I fix this problem?) It basically shows a lack of faith. "For without faith it is impossible to please God".


Edit: It is also a very comforting verse because we know from the lips of God that He will take care of us. Therefore, there is no reason to doubt Him.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Dear Arminians, who of you was the first to throw the stone of human vengeance on that miserable soul caught in the act? Have you never peace and assurance? maybe the poor fellow his whole life wholeheartedly believed the goodness of God upon his soul, but having been occupied so tragically never repented ... . But the whoring priest who was clever enough to quickly draw the cross across his breast before the worst ...?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Methinks too often our greatest sin is that we do not worry enough.

 

[Brother Bob]

Bob, we had a discussion about this very verse in SS one day. I think the sin is in the fact that when we worry, it is because we have taken our focus off of the Lord and placed it on ourselves. (how can I fix this problem?) It basically shows a lack of faith. "For without faith it is impossible to please God".

1 Thessalonians, chapter 4
13: But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14: For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15: For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18: Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

You could be right but I was using it as in this scripture where it says "sorrow not".

I certainly believe in trusting in Jesus, never doubting. I see your point entirely.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Methinks too often our greatest sin is that we do not worry enough.

You've got to be joking!!!

 

[D28guy]

Brother Bob,

"I really had never considered this as a sin but it could be I guess."

OK.

Now that you agree that worrying is a sin, let me ask again.

If someone dies in the act of worrying...that means its un-repented of sin...do they go to the flames of hell for that?

Mike

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

BR:
"... in Lev 16 the PROCESS of ATONEMENT goes BEYOND the "Atoning Sacrifice" itself since it ALSO includes the work of Christ as High Priest seen in Heb 8-10."

GE:
Yes, we have gone over this before. There's no such thing in the Scriptures as your "PROCESS of ATONEMENT" and its resultant "continued pardon" (as you before put it). Lv.16 repeatedly speaks of "finishing atonement" - it knows no unfinished atonement, no "PROCESS of ATONEMENT".

But stop a moment and think about what you're insinuating: That atonement for sins goes on 'in heaven now' (as you say), YET, you say, it is not sin that is pardoned in (your) 'investigative judgment' -- it is God's decicions that are scrutinised : 'to see if every one truly believed' and 'to demonstrate that His judgments are just' or something (as you say). Does Jesus atone now for sin in heaven or isn't He? Has God been right all along or not? If yes, then for what 'open the books' (in the sense you think)?

Your's a muddled picture of God's justice - to the point of tragic so muddled.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight. Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You've got to be joking!!!

GE:
Not at all ... dead serious --- see? We tend to not worry too much!

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Completely contrary to what Scripture teaches.

Be anxious for nothing...

Yet you say worry more.

Nope, I will believe the Word of God rather than one telling me to do something it says not to do.

Sounds like the same thing that went on in the garden. 'Yea, and hath God said...'

'Hasn't God said 'Be anxious for nothing? Oh, go ahead and worry.'

 

[Brother Bob]

OK.

Now that you agree that worrying is a sin, let me ask again.

If someone dies in the act of worrying...that means its un-repented of sin...do they go to the flames of hell for that?

Mike

I probably can answer that better than you can D28guy. You see, I have had 2 by heart surgeries and the last one I was so swollen that my family could not tell who I was. I was in such pain and misery and the doctors stood over me constantly looking for me to die. The Lord took over and removed all worry, fear and clinging to this life away from me and I could see peace and was trying to reach it but I couldn't die. I ask God to let me die for I could see it was better but God kept me around but was right there with me. He said I will never leave you or forsake you and to die "worrying" the Lord would have to forsake me. I can assure you that He will not, so if you are saved it is impossible to die a "worrying". amen,

 

[D28guy]

Brother Bob.

"...so if you are saved it is impossible to die a "worrying". amen,"

So, in answer to my question then, it seems that you are confirming that you do indeed believe that if a born again child of God happens to be worrying as they die...they lose their salvation for that and go to the flames of eternal hell.

Incredible.

Grace and peace,

Mike

 

[Brother Bob]

So, in answer to my question then, it seems that you are confirming that you do indeed believe that if a born again child of God happens to be worrying as they die...they lose their salvation for that and go to the flames of eternal hell.

Incredible.

Grace and peace,

Mike

I never said no such thing, you need to read real slow. I said God give me peace so I was willing to die.

What I said is that the Lord said I will never leave you and would not let you die "worrying".

I don't believe in losing your salvation so don't put words in my mouth. Speak for yourself and espouse your own doctrine.

I really was hoping I came back on and found you had written something nice but guess its just not going to be.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Completely contrary to what Scripture teaches.

Be anxious for nothing...

Yet you say worry more.

Nope, I will believe the Word of God rather than one telling me to do something it says not to do.

Sounds like the same thing that went on in the garden. 'Yea, and hath God said...'

'Hasn't God said 'Be anxious for nothing? Oh, go ahead and worry.'

GE:
You may do well to study up all the many injunctions we should care ... Don't worry too much in this instance though -- it's not that great an issue with me that I should be seen as going contrary the Word.