Now I’m really ticked, they want to vax the little ones!

[JonC]

Hang on here. I am not against anyone getting vaxed. I am against requirements to get vaxed and discrimination based on the vax status.
Yes, my neighbors 38 year old son died of the vax. I went to his funeral.

I am also pretty much ambivalent about other people's medical choices. I am also against forced vaccinations.

 

[JonC]

Honestly, I knew you were kidding. I didn't take it wrong.

Yea....I sometimes forget some people are intimidated by words, but I knew you were not one of those pansies. A country boy can survive .

 

[Reynolds]

Then it is false. Thus far the death rate for vaccinated people is effectively 0.0% (0.001 nation wide). Post-vaccine deaths NOT taking out the elderly and preexisting conditions are also under .0018%.

At the same time Covid cases have risen 70%. A little over 94% of covid deaths are among the imunvacvinated (nation wide).

You are far more likely to die of covid than you ate yo even have moderate side-effects from the vaccine.

Not vaccinated people dying of Covid, dying of vaccine injury.

 

[Reynolds]

I actually welcome an old school live virus vax. I believe it would be a robust compliment to the y'all immunity I already have. I believe the tell immunity would make the live virus vax safe for me. At this present time, I don't trust MRNA vax. I was planning on getting J&J until the blood clotting issues arose. Was actually on the list. That was also before I had Covid.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

I'm honestly hoping I get it at some point just to have the antibodies. Then I ain't gotta worry about it anymore.

 

[JonC]

Not vaccinated people dying of Covid, dying of vaccine injury.

Actually, the evidence does not support this (just as the evidence indicates covid numbers may be quite high). You have to exclude other causes before blaming the vaccine or the virus, and thus far this has not been done for either.

For example, if we count someone with a preexisting illness as dying from the vaccine then we have to count those with other conditions of dying of covid. But people are not willing to do this as it works against their narratives.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Good. We are seeing a lot of hospitalizations with delta varient in kids now, and it looks like it is more deadly in children than the initial virus.

You do see it, the delta variant as opposed to the old COVID variant!?! Really, how do you know specifically? Please, explain that statement.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I'm honestly hoping I get it at some point just to have the antibodies. Then I ain't gotta worry about it anymore.

Why are you worrying? Your young, your body at this stage of life can bounce back and with the help of anti viral anti inflammation drugs that are attainable, your risks are mitigated. These fear freaks are discussing it like it’s the bubonic plague for heavens sake.

 

[JonC]

You do see it, the delta variant as opposed to the old COVID variant!?! Really, how do you know specifically? Please, explain that statement.

The cases are assumed to be the varient because of the group infected (and severity). I do not know of a test to check for the varient.

If you doubt this is a change, then maybe we can just call it round 2 - this time numbers (here) are increasing more rapidly and infecting children at a much greater rate.

Last year our hospitals were not accommodating many (if any) covid children.

We have vaccinated people getting mild cases of covid (which is good) but unvaccinated (here anyway) are having a rough go (we had one from work die last week). These are not elderly people in poor health.

So there seems to be a difference.

 

[Reynolds]

Actually, the evidence does not support this (just as the evidence indicates covid numbers may be quite high). You have to exclude other causes before blaming the vaccine or the virus, and thus far this has not been done for either.

For example, if we count someone with a preexisting illness as dying from the vaccine then we have to count those with other conditions of dying of covid. But people are not willing to do this as it works against their narratives.

Most of the vaccine deaths I have heard about were due to blood clots in people with no history of blood clotting. Would the other comorbiditires that may exist be relevant?
What I ask myself is would the person have died if he did not have Covid? Would the person have died if he did not take the vax?
The government has the responsibility to be honest. If they were not consistently dishonest, people would believe them more often.
The U.S. govt has become as big a propaganda machine as the Russian government or Chinese government.
I don't believe liars even when they are not telling lies.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Most of the vaccine deaths I have heard about were due to blood clots in people with no history of blood clotting. Would the other comorbiditires that may exist be relevant?
What I ask myself is would the person have died if he did not have Covid? Would the person have died if he did not take the vax?
The government has the responsibility to be honest. If they were not consistently dishonest, people would believe them more often.
The U.S. govt has become as big a propaganda machine as the Russian government or Chinese government.
I don't believe liars even when they are not telling lies.

My sentiments exactly. Putin may as well be running the country!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I wish I could say mine either, but mine are grown, & it’s my 4 grandkids I’m worried about. The moms are libs. I’m praying the dads may not want to.

Oh, that is indeed a serious concern. Perhaps the concern for the child’s overall health as well as the cautious press that this can be a toxic vaccine will be a wake-up call to them. You will need to bring this to light to them. Next, they will want to vaccinate our dogs and cats as a preventive.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Oh, that is indeed a serious concern. Perhaps the concern for the child’s overall health as well as the cautious press that this can be a toxic vaccine will be a wake up call to them. You will need to bring this to light to them. Next they will want to vaccinate our dogs and cats as a preventive.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

This is the potential result of an experimental vaccine gone wrong

 

[Reynolds]

My sentiments exactly. Putin may as well be running the country!

If Putin were running the USA, it would be an improvement.

 

[xlsdraw]

Most of the vaccine deaths I have heard about were due to blood clots in people with no history of blood clotting. Would the other comorbiditires that may exist be relevant?
What I ask myself is would the person have died if he did not have Covid? Would the person have died if he did not take the vax?
The government has the responsibility to be honest. If they were not consistently dishonest, people would believe them more often.
The U.S. govt has become as big a propaganda machine as the Russian government or Chinese government.
I don't believe liars even when they are not telling lies.

This era of US Government is just as godless and God rejecting as the Russian and Chinese Governments.

We haven't experienced significant Government persecution here yet, like Russia and China, but, there are social movements absolutely pushing in that direction.

A variation of the "Pittsburgh Platform" has slowly been manifesting itself for many decades in our country like a creeping cancer.

 

[JonC]

Most of the vaccine deaths I have heard about were due to blood clots in people with no history of blood clotting. Would the other comorbiditires that may exist be relevant?
What I ask myself is would the person have died if he did not have Covid? Would the person have died if he did not take the vax?
The government has the responsibility to be honest. If they were not consistently dishonest, people would believe them more often.
The U.S. govt has become as big a propaganda machine as the Russian government or Chinese government.
I don't believe liars even when they are not telling lies.

Yes. In the US there were 3 deaths linked to the JJ (not mRNA) vaccine. There were 28 instances where blood clots were thought to be caused by the vaccine.

BUT COVID itself causes blood clots (that is what happened to our friend I told you about....24 years old, mild case of covid, then stroke)

Anyway, that is why the JJ was pulled for evaluation. In the UK they had the same problem with their non-mRNA vaccines.

 

[Reynolds]

Yes. In the US there were 3 deaths linked to the JJ (not mRNA) vaccine. There were 28 instances where blood clots were thought to be caused by the vaccine.

BUT COVID itself causes blood clots (that is what happened to our friend I told you about....24 years old, mild case of covid, then stroke)

Anyway, that is why the JJ was pulled for evaluation. In the UK they had the same problem with their non-mRNA vaccines.

There are multiple deaths attributed to all 3 vaxes in vaccine injury reporting.
Over 10000 have been reported. Lawsuits from whistle blowers claim the number is well over 100,000 but streams have been suppressed. Of course CDC is slow walking the verifications. They will undoubtedly continue to slow walk all verifications and falsely classify most reports as non vaccine caused.
It's the fox guarding the hens.

 

[Reynolds]

Jon, you need to watch 7-28 episode of Joni Table Talk on Daystar website. Skip the singing.

 

[JonC]

There are multiple deaths attributed to all 3 vaxes in vaccine injury reporting.
Over 10000 have been reported. Lawsuits from whistle blowers claim the number is well over 100,000 but streams have been suppressed. Of course CDC is slow walking the verifications. They will undoubtedly continue to slow walk all verifications and falsely classify most reports as non vaccine caused.
It's the fox guarding the hens.

Of course there are multiple deaths. Bit, like with covid, each side inflates numbers (a vaccinated elderly cancer patient dies....it is of the vaccine).

But life is not safe.

I was addressing the very few vaccinated that specifically suffered blood clots compared to the larger number of unvacvinated that that suffered blood clots from having covid.

The fact is most who die now are unvaccinated. Your chances are better with the vaccine than covid given the current facts.

Will this change over time and the vaccines show more negative effects? Maybe. But that time is not now and we really do not know.