NT Right

[evangelist6589]

I do not usually read academic authors as most of my books are popular authors. However I do have some academic authors but they are not generally my favorite as they are harder to read and I am not in seminary anymore so I can read the popular authors faster and comprehend more in less time with less effort. I do not know much about NT Right except for some negatives comments that was said about him on a Grace To You CD interview with Phil Johnson and Mac. Besides that I do not know much, but if he is involved in the New Perspectives on Paul movement I wish to stay away from CONFUSION.

http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/whats-wrong-wright-examining-new-perspective-paul/

Is this fully accurate or is NT Right a good author? Doing a google search I get all kinda of ideas on the man so I am not sure who to trust.

 

[Greektim]

I do not usually read academic authors as most of my books are popular authors. However I do have some academic authors but they are not generally my favorite as they are harder to read and I am not in seminary anymore so I can read the popular authors faster and comprehend more in less time with less effort. I do not know much about NT Right except for some negatives comments that was said about him on a Grace To You CD interview with Phil Johnson and Mac. Besides that I do not know much, but if he is involved in the New Perspectives on Paul movement I wish to stay away from CONFUSION.

http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/whats-wrong-wright-examining-new-perspective-paul/

Is this fully accurate or is NT Right a good author? Doing a google search I get all kinda of ideas on the man so I am not sure who to trust.

Not sure who you searched for, his name is N. T. Wright.


If the only thing you can criticize him for is his "new" perspective on Paul, then I have little respect for someone who is afraid to read an alternate view. This is the worst side of fundamentalism... unable and unwilling to face or even approach something good b/c they don't like one small aspect of their theology. Especially when you haven't read him on his view. His book Justification was amazing (read the back and see what people said about it, even those not in the NPP camp).

NT Wright does popular level stuff and academic stuff. His Simply Jesus, How God Became King, and Surprised by Hope are a few amongst his more popular level reads. He has many more.

However, what most of you fail to recognize is that in the historical quest (are we up to the fourth?), he has handly dealt the 3rd questers a crushing blow. He has ardently defended the physical resurrection of Jesus. He has unearthed the historical Jesus without the modernists bias. He is a historian and theologian roled into one.

Of the writers I have read (I read my fair share), he is the best. His writing ability is amazing. He turns a phrase better than most, and that in his academic stuff too. What is more, he speaks/lectures the way he writes, most deftly.

Lastly, his Christian Origins and the Question of God will be a hallmark to NT studies until Jesus returns. I can't wait to read his new volumes on Paul this fall (once I'm finished w/ my thesis).

 

[quantumfaith]

Not sure who you searched for, his name is N. T. Wright.


If the only thing you can criticize him for is his "new" perspective on Paul, then I have little respect for someone who is afraid to read an alternate view. This is the worst side of fundamentalism... unable and unwilling to face or even approach something good b/c they don't like one small aspect of their theology. Especially when you haven't read him on his view. His book Justification was amazing (read the back and see what people said about it, even those not in the NPP camp).

NT Wright does popular level stuff and academic stuff. His Simply Jesus, How God Became King, and Surprised by Hope are a few amongst his more popular level reads. He has many more.

However, what most of you fail to recognize is that in the historical quest (are we up to the fourth), he has handly dealt the 3rd questers a crushing blow. He has ardently defended the physical resurrection of Jesus. He has unearthed the historical Jesus without the modernists bias. He is a historian and theologian roled into one.

Of the writers I have read (I read my fair share), he is the best. His writing ability is amazing. He turns a phrase better than most, and that in his academic stuff too. What is more, he speaks/lectures the way he writes, most deftly.

Lastly, his Christian Origins and the Question of God will be a hallmark to NT studies until Jesus returns. I can't wait to read his new volumes on Paul this fall (once I'm finished w/ my thesis).

Thank you GT for such a reasoned and thoughtful response. Most do not realize how BROAD the "new perspectives" creek is. It way too easy for many to criticize while knowing little to nothing about positions of others.

 

[evangelist6589]

Don't you find it odd that you would endorse a book by N.T. Right and at the same time quote John Piper in your signature whom wrote a book refuting N.T. Right. Deju VU?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1581349645/?tag=baptis04-20

Not sure who you searched for, his name is N. T. Wright.


If the only thing you can criticize him for is his "new" perspective on Paul, then I have little respect for someone who is afraid to read an alternate view. This is the worst side of fundamentalism... unable and unwilling to face or even approach something good b/c they don't like one small aspect of their theology. Especially when you haven't read him on his view. His book Justification was amazing (read the back and see what people said about it, even those not in the NPP camp).

NT Wright does popular level stuff and academic stuff. His Simply Jesus, How God Became King, and Surprised by Hope are a few amongst his more popular level reads. He has many more.

However, what most of you fail to recognize is that in the historical quest (are we up to the fourth?), he has handly dealt the 3rd questers a crushing blow. He has ardently defended the physical resurrection of Jesus. He has unearthed the historical Jesus without the modernists bias. He is a historian and theologian roled into one.

Of the writers I have read (I read my fair share), he is the best. His writing ability is amazing. He turns a phrase better than most, and that in his academic stuff too. What is more, he speaks/lectures the way he writes, most deftly.

Lastly, his Christian Origins and the Question of God will be a hallmark to NT studies until Jesus returns. I can't wait to read his new volumes on Paul this fall (once I'm finished w/ my thesis).

 

[preachinjesus]

Oh dear lord...seriously....

 

[Revmitchell]

Don't you find it odd that you would endorse a book by N.T. Right and at the same time quote John Piper in your signature whom wrote a book refuting N.T. Right. Deju VU?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1581349645/?tag=baptis04-20

If you are going to criticize someone at least learn to spell their name.

 

[Rippon]

Don't you find it odd that you would endorse a book by N.T. Right and at the same time quote John Piper in your signature whom wrote a book refuting N.T. Right. Deju VU?

Evan,seriously...you have already been corrected about your WRONG spelling of WRIGHT'S name. Why do you deliberately go out of your way to cause offense?

Piper's booklet taking on WRIGHT'S views should not be considered a reason to condemn WTW's teachings altogether. Douglas Moo on the subject of the New Perspective agrees with Piper in the main,but is careful to also state his agreements.

 

[evangelist6589]

Evan,seriously...you have already been corrected about your WRONG spelling of WRIGHT'S name. Why do you deliberately go out of your way to cause offense?

Piper's booklet taking on WRIGHT'S views should not be considered a reason to condemn WTW's teachings altogether. Douglas Moo on the subject of the New Perspective agrees with Piper in the main,but is careful to also state his agreements.

This thread is not about my misspelling but about the man's theology. Moo as I recall is a Charismatic and holds to the gifts. However you are correct that does not make him a bad guy as his book "how to Read the Bible for all its worth" is a great intro to Hermeneutics and a book I have used to try and refute KJVO whom love to attack the NIV, and my version of the book has much good defense of the NIV. Not sure about the new version as mine is from 2002. But that said you are correct N.T. Wright may be a great scholar, however I would not buy his book on Justification.

 

[jaigner]

This thread is not about my misspelling but about the man's theology. Moo as I recall is a Charismatic and holds to the gifts. However you are correct that does not make him a bad guy as his book "how to Read the Bible for all its worth" is a great intro to Hermeneutics and a book I have used to try and refute KJVO whom love to attack the NIV, and my version of the book has much good defense of the NIV. Not sure about the new version as mine is from 2002. But that said you are correct N.T. Wright may be a great scholar, however I would not buy his book on Justification.

I had a class with Doug Moo. He is not a charismatic.

Gordon Fee wrote the book "How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth.

Really, I'm not sure you should be voicing your opinion at this point.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I do not usually read academic authors as most of my books are popular authors. However I do have some academic authors but they are not generally my favorite as they are harder to read and I am not in seminary anymore so I can read the popular authors faster and comprehend more in less time with less effort. I do not know much about NT Right except for some negatives comments that was said about him on a Grace To You CD interview with Phil Johnson and Mac. Besides that I do not know much, but if he is involved in the New Perspectives on Paul movement I wish to stay away from CONFUSION.

http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/whats-wrong-wright-examining-new-perspective-paul/

Is this fully accurate or is NT Right a good author? Doing a google search I get all kinda of ideas on the man so I am not sure who to trust.

I consider him a heretic due to his "New Perspective on Paul", his association with Biologos, and his participation in the Emergent Church movement.

 

[Greektim]

Don't you find it odd that you would endorse a book by N.T. Right and at the same time quote John Piper in your signature whom wrote a book refuting N.T. Right. Deju VU?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1581349645/?tag=baptis04-20

I am not afraid of conflicting views nor spelling names correctly (it is Wright with a W). And the 2 would consider themselves brethren. And they would probably agree on more than they disagree. I love both men and their teachings. I am not going to avoid reading them b/c they debate each other on one thing, that honestly most people here have no clue what Wright believes, including JohnDeerFan who calls him a heretic b/c of his NPP (which is neither new and is very nuanced from other exponents w/ the same label) and his supposed (though I've never heard of it) association w/ the EC movement (he is Church of England for crying out loud, you can't get much more non-emergent in protestant circles!).

There is too much fundamentalism on this board and not enough evangelical love.

 

[Greektim]

This thread is not about my misspelling but about the man's theology. Moo as I recall is a Charismatic and holds to the gifts. However you are correct that does not make him a bad guy as his book "how to Read the Bible for all its worth" is a great intro to Hermeneutics and a book I have used to try and refute KJVO whom love to attack the NIV, and my version of the book has much good defense of the NIV. Not sure about the new version as mine is from 2002. But that said you are correct N.T. Wright may be a great scholar, however I would not buy his book on Justification.

Is that because you are afraid of being challenged in your thinking??? That he might be able to teach you something, if nothing else than what he actually believes rather than caricatures that ignorants paint?

 

[Greektim]

I had a class with Doug Moo. He is not a charismatic.

Gordon Fee wrote the book "How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth.

Really, I'm not sure you should be voicing your opinion at this point.

:laugh: That was funny! Glad you pointed this out.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Is ... NT Right a good author?

Why don't you pick up a copy of N.T. Wright's Simply Jesus and read it for yourself. It is written on a popular level and gives you a good sense of where he is coming from theologically, historically, and ecclesiastically. I think you will find you agree with him much more than you disagree with him.

Furthermore, the book is a joy to read and refreshes the soul and spirit.

Once you have that one under your belt, you will be in a better position to have an opinion on his work.

FWIW, I'm not a big fan of MacArthur, but I have enough respect for the man to be pretty sure he would be uncomfortable with the way you are using his opinions as an arbiter of truth. He certainly would want you to give strong consideration to his opinions (just like anyone else), but I sincerely doubt he would want you to shut down your inquiry simply based on what he has said.

I know you have a heart for "open air preaching", but may I suggest you take some time to get stable in your theology before you continue your public ministry? Jesus took the first 30 years of His life to prepare for ministry and then took time away from the crowds on regular occasions to refresh, refocus
and commune with the Father and the Spirit without distractions.

If Jesus thought it was a good thing to do, I suspect it would be a good thing for you to do. Take some time and read the Bible through (cover to cover) without consulting a bunch of popular books (maybe a Bible concordance, a good Bible dictionary, etc.) and see what the whole message of the Bible is all about. The Father, Son and Spirit will guide you as you study and pray through the text. You will still come out the other side of the experience with many questions, but you will have direction and focus and know how to appraise the answers you find in popular books and opinions.

 

[Revmitchell]

This thread is not about my misspelling but about the man's theology.

If you are going to criticize someone you should stop spelling their name wrong.

Moo as I recall is a Charismatic and holds to the gifts. However you are correct that does not make him a bad guy as his book "how to Read the Bible for all its worth" is a great intro to Hermeneutics and a book I have used to try and refute KJVO whom love to attack the NIV, and my version of the book has much good defense of the NIV. Not sure about the new version as mine is from 2002. But that said you are correct N.T. Wright may be a great scholar, however I would not buy his book on Justification.

Are you talking about this?


http://www.amazon.com/dp/0310246040/?tag=baptis04-20

 

[quantumfaith]

I am not afraid of conflicting views nor spelling names correctly (it is Wright with a W). And the 2 would consider themselves brethren. And they would probably agree on more than they disagree. I love both men and their teachings. I am not going to avoid reading them b/c they debate each other on one thing, that honestly most people here have no clue what Wright believes, including JohnDeerFan who calls him a heretic b/c of his NPP (which is neither new and is very nuanced from other exponents w/ the same label) and his supposed (though I've never heard of it) association w/ the EC movement (he is Church of England for crying out loud, you can't get much more non-emergent in protestant circles!).

There is too much fundamentalism on this board and not enough evangelical love.

:applause::applause::applause:

 

[quantumfaith]

Why don't you pick up a copy of N.T. Wright's Simply Jesus and read it for yourself. It is written on a popular level and gives you a good sense of where he is coming from theologically, historically, and ecclesiastically. I think you will find you agree with him much more than you disagree with him.

Furthermore, the book is a joy to read and refreshes the soul and spirit.

Once you have that one under your belt, you will be in a better position to have an opinion on his work.

FWIW, I'm not a big fan of MacArthur, but I have enough respect for the man to be pretty sure he would be uncomfortable with the way you are using his opinions as an arbiter of truth. He certainly would want you to give strong consideration to his opinions (just like anyone else), but I sincerely doubt he would want you to shut down your inquiry simply based on what he has said.

I know you have a heart for "open air preaching", but may I suggest you take some time to get stable in your theology before you continue your public ministry? Jesus took the first 30 years of His life to prepare for ministry and then took time away from the crowds on regular occasions to refresh, refocus
and commune with the Father and the Spirit without distractions.

If Jesus thought it was a good thing to do, I suspect it would be a good thing for you to do. Take some time and read the Bible through (cover to cover) without consulting a bunch of popular books (maybe a Bible concordance, a good Bible dictionary, etc.) and see what the whole message of the Bible is all about. The Father, Son and Spirit will guide you as you study and pray through the text. You will still come out the other side of the experience with many questions, but you will have direction and focus and know how to appraise the answers you find in popular books and opinions.

:applause::applause::applause:

 

[evangelist6589]

I had a class with Doug Moo. He is not a charismatic.

Gordon Fee wrote the book "How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth.

Really, I'm not sure you should be voicing your opinion at this point.

Oops wrong author, my mistake.

 

[evangelist6589]

I am not afraid of conflicting views nor spelling names correctly (it is Wright with a W). And the 2 would consider themselves brethren. And they would probably agree on more than they disagree. I love both men and their teachings. I am not going to avoid reading them b/c they debate each other on one thing, that honestly most people here have no clue what Wright believes, including JohnDeerFan who calls him a heretic b/c of his NPP (which is neither new and is very nuanced from other exponents w/ the same label) and his supposed (though I've never heard of it) association w/ the EC movement (he is Church of England for crying out loud, you can't get much more non-emergent in protestant circles!).

There is too much fundamentalism on this board and not enough evangelical love.

I got the okay about him from some trusted sources. Tell me about the Church of England. Very traditional? Do they use wine in communion?

 

[evangelist6589]

Is that because you are afraid of being challenged in your thinking??? That he might be able to teach you something, if nothing else than what he actually believes rather than caricatures that ignorants paint?

I may get the book Simply Jesus but not sure yet.