It is not a race issue. It cannot be proven to be a race issue and only blind ideologue race baiters would says so.
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NYC Policeman Not Indicted in Chokehold Death; Protests Called
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Several shop owners went to the black police and asked that this guy be arrested for scaring people away from their businesses. A black female police sergeant oversaw the arrest. The mayor of New York had a campaign on to collect all taxes on cigarettes--some say. Some say that the man resisted arrest and had a heart attack in the vehicle after the arrest. So I think that he died of a heart attack in the hospital. The man who shot the video was arrested for having a gun without a permit.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/ji...the-eric-garner-case-the-media-wont-tell-you/
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/ji...the-eric-garner-case-the-media-wont-tell-you/
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Zaac
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It keeps coming back to race because it's about race.
No it would not have. I think you're being naive. And this is consistent with the stance people in the white privilege majority take.
You want to believe the police.
You want to believe that there's not a real problem of police misconduct.
When is the last time a cop rolled through your neighborhood and told somebody to "get the F*** out the street?"
When is the last time that a cop rolled into your neighborhood, pulled your clothes and underwear down in front of everybody on the street and proceeded to search you and play with your genitals?
When is the last time six cops walked up to someone in your neighborhood and put him in a chokehold?
When is the last time a cop showed up in your neighborhood and shot one of the kids playing with an airsoft gun?
This is ALL about race and the continued marginalizing of the lives of black men by those in positions of white privilege.
Zaac
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Medical examiner disagrees.
And everything you mentioned is irrelevant.
Nobody should lose their life over something stupid like this. Write him a ticket. Send the tax man to collect the taxes.
But sending six officers to accost a man who on that day wasn't doing anything and to jump on him like he was some sort of animal?
He died because people in positions of white privilege didn't value his life the way that they do their own.
The police sergeant should be the one held responsible since she ordered the arrest, not to mention the police chief who responded to the complaints of the shop owners who complained the man was loitering.
The ultimate person responsible is De Blasio, who has insisted that these taxes be collected and that people selling like this be stopped.
The man died in the hospital after a heart attack in an ambulance, and not on the sidewalk as some have been claiming.
De Blasio should be impeached for this, the local police commander for Staten Island fired and the police sergeant in charge on the sidewalk should be fired.
Zaac
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Then hold the black police sergeant and the officer who choked this man responsible.
Hold the police chief responsible too.
The ultimate person responsible are the cops who jumped on him like an animal and choked him. You can try to sidestep it and place it at somebody else's doorstep all you wish. It ain't flying here. De Blasio didn't tell anyone to gang jump a man and choke him to death.
He was alive and kicking before he was choked.
There's that partisan white privilege again. If those black people are angry, then we of white privilege have got to tie it all back to the Democrats
because our GOP controlled white privilege behavior couldn't have anything to do with cops from one side of the country to the other participating in this type of misconduct against black men.De Blasio understands that any of these senseless killings could be his son.
De Blasio is behind the collection of taxes and stopping the sale of loose cigs, which you say should not be an issue. So you are going to let De Blasio walk even though he is the one pulling the strings behind the scenes just because De Blasio is not a GOP. Look, all big American cities are pits and people would do well to avoid them. For example, why would you go to NY to see the Christmas decorations at Rockefeller Center when you would just be in the middle of a Hands Up Don't Shoot demonstration?
Zaac
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You're spilling the same white privilege narrative that Rush Limbaugh has already spoonfed to the right.
I know the lines and like iI said, it doesn't fly.
Police don't collect taxes. They choked him and jumped him. They didn't say he was under arrest and they didn't say pay your taxes.
Man stop this foolishness. You should know by now that I am not the one to be offput by the GOP narrative.
Eric Garner was killed by COPS, not De Blasio. SO save the white privilege, Rush delivered narrative for someone who will fall for it.
SMH
There is it again. "It's all about race and white privilege." That's a bunch of bunk.
Have I ever said that? From the beginning, I've said this grand jury got this one wrong.
I'm sure they would if someone was beligerant and ignoring the cop.
It's interesting how you can so easily ignore the truth. Let's look at each of these:
"When is the last time that a cop rolled into your neighborhood, pulled your clothes and underwear down in front of everybody on the street and proceeded to search you and play with your genitals?"
Do we know this happened? Remember perspective. Did he have "pants on the ground" syndrome? Cops have to pat down suspects - including touching breasts and genitals - in order to make sure they aren't holding any guns. Let's remember we're listening to a criminal for the truth and I highly doubt this is just exactly how it went down.
"When is the last time six cops walked up to someone in your neighborhood and put him in a chokehold?"
They didn't just walk up to this man and randomly put him in a chokehold. He was resisting arrest. The chokehold was wrong but they did not just walk up to some dude and grab him.
"When is the last time a cop showed up in your neighborhood and shot one of the kids playing with an airsoft gun?"
Not recently but they have done this in the past. Wave around any gun that looks real - even if it's a toy gun (an airsoft gun is not a toy) - threatening people with it and then ignore the police's order to drop the gun and guess what will happen? They will not calmly walk up and ask to check to be sure the gun is real. They shoot. Best thing the kid could have done? Hands up, drop to the ground. Period. Had he done this, I guarantee he would still be alive.
I don't know why De Blasio gets a pass when he is the one so worried about getting every penny. And I don't know why the shop keepers get a pass when they are the ones who made the complaint. And I don't know how the Sergeant can live with herself after ordering this arrest.
I feel sorry for people living in big cities. Everything, especially back east, is crowded, dirty and expensive.
I feel sorry for people living in big cities. Everything, especially back east, is crowded, dirty and expensive.
Zaac
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Yes. And black people are aware that this is what folks from a position of white privilege think.
I didn't say that you said that. You want to naively believe that this would have played out the same way if the guy had been white. It wouldn't have and at heart you know it wouldn't have.
So in other words you know of no incidences of it happening? I can get a thousand different people from different majority black neighborhoods across the country and show you a pattern of cops treating blacks and Latinos like this.
And this is what I've been saying. White privilege won't allow for any viewpoint except the one that keeps it privileged.
He could have had pants on the ground syndrome. That doesn't give the police license to pull his pants and underwear down on a street corner and frisking his genitals for the whole world to see.
White privilege always makes excuses for its authority again because if you challenge that authority, it's like challenging them.
What makes you think the guy was a criminal? What did I say that insinuated that the guy had done anything wrong?
But that's what the white privilege narrative does. Rather than assume that folks would treat people with dignity and respect, the white privilege narrative likes to assume that the person must have done something illegal to cause the officer to treat them in such a manner.
Michael Vick got sent to jail for killing some dogs , yet white cops are killing black men left and right and leaving their bodies in the street like dogs, but the Body of Christ doesn't take issue with that because they must have been breaking the law.
you keep saying he was resisting arrest. At no point did they tell him he was under arrest. And yes, they did just walk up to him and put him in a chokehold. Didn't say anything about him being under arrest or what they were there for. It's videoed for pete's sake.
This happened in your neighborhood? Cops shot a kid waving an airsoft gun in your neighborhood? I doubt it.
I have kids running up and down my street with airsoft guns. I have kids running through the park waving their airsoft guns at their friends and anyone else.
And guess what? White people aren't jumping on the phone and dialing 911 because the kids are white too.
Zaac
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You don't know why De Blasio gets a pass because you don't want him to get a pass. You have no problem with the man who choked Eric Garner to death getting a pass. But let's place this at the doorstep of someone who wasn't there.
De Blasio didn't tell anyone to go choke anyone.
The shop keepers didn't choke anyone to death.
Who was choked to death exactly?
As for De Blasio, I thought he was a crook when he wanted to take horse-pulled carriages off the streets of New York because one of his contributors wanted to buy the land where the stables for the horses were. I posted a thread about that on this board so I have always thought that De Blasio is a liar and a crook. And I think that he is the one who ordered the arrest of people selling individual cigs on the streets but you disagree.
I thank God that I don't live in New York and New York is so expensive that I could not even afford to visit there. And you can't go downtown Indianapolis because they play the knockout game downtown Indianapolis.
As for De Blasio, I thought he was a crook when he wanted to take horse-pulled carriages off the streets of New York because one of his contributors wanted to buy the land where the stables for the horses were. I posted a thread about that on this board so I have always thought that De Blasio is a liar and a crook. And I think that he is the one who ordered the arrest of people selling individual cigs on the streets but you disagree.
I thank God that I don't live in New York and New York is so expensive that I could not even afford to visit there. And you can't go downtown Indianapolis because they play the knockout game downtown Indianapolis.
How is it a civil rights issue when the supervisor in charge of the arrest is black?
Why isn't this thread closed for length?
What is this "white privilege" nonsense you keep spouting? What a liberal, steaming pile.
The protesters think it is. So that is what it will be.
There would be no outrage and no protests if Garner had been white.
Absolutely nobody.
Zaac
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What does the skin color of the supervisor have to do with it being a civil rights issue?
This constant chatter about how all black folks think alike and are in lockstep with each other is complete bull crap.