Obama/Census Seizure

[Alcott]

I believe America has elected a dictator.

Proposal: when referring to him by name, add <reported post word deletion - LE>.

 

[Revmitchell]

Maybe you should learn to spell laissez-faire. :laugh:

After that you can work on learning how to think instead of swallowing the poison you are apparently drinking from right-wing sources.

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

Should have the Six Flags music playing behind it.

 

[LeBuick]

Judd Gregg has withdrawn his nomination for Commerce Secretary. One reason being the White House desire to run the 2010 census.

I think he showed his true colors. Seems his only reason for taking the job was to control the census. Obama took the census from him and he quit.

So much for bipartisanship.

 

[dragonfly]

Judd Gregg has withdrawn his nomination for Commerce Secretary. One reason being the White House desire to run the 2010 census.

Good! President Obama should not have chosen this or any other republican to serve in his Cabinet.

 

[JamieinNH]

I think he showed his true colors. Seems his only reason for taking the job was to control the census. Obama took the census from him and he quit.

So much for bipartisanship.

It's unfortunate, but I believe you are correct. I can't believe that Gregg came to the understanding that Obama and him were that different in one or two nights. One would think he would have known and seen this from the 2 years of compaigning that Obama did.

Your answer is one of the only ones that really makes any sense when you look at it from the higher ground and not from the Left or the Right.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I would think that at first, it would be extremely flattering to be invited to a post position by any president. And after a while, the gloss wears off.

I'm really glad he left, and will give him the benefit of the doubt. He cited the porkulus bill as a reason, not just the census.

Remember, like Hillary said, we have the right to debate & disagree with ANY administration.

 

[LeBuick]

I'm really glad he left, and will give him the benefit of the doubt. He cited the porkulus bill as a reason, not just the census.

The bill had passed the house and was in the Senate when he took the job and everyone knew where Obama stood regarding the plan. He proposed it.

 

[Alcott]

Proposal: when referring to him by name, add <reported post word deletion - LE>.

We all need to remember... we can't talk about the best-known comic strip detective by name.

 

[JoeElliott]

no different

yep, obama is no different. Corrupt appointees. Census grab. Demonizing Republicans for actaully daring to oppose his stimulus plan. He's just like that whole Washington crowd. He's one of them.

Joe Elliott
www.thescribblingsage.com

 

[LeBuick]

yep, obama is no different. Corrupt appointees. Census grab. Demonizing Republicans for actaully daring to oppose his stimulus plan. He's just like that whole Washington crowd. He's one of them.

Joe Elliott
www.thescribblingsage.com

What I don't understand is why would Greg accept the job after previously voting to abolish the department and previously voting to cut census funding. Sounds like the census wasn't that big of a deal back then, why is it an issue now?

 

[rbell]

Good! President Obama should not have chosen this or any other republican to serve in his Cabinet.

Rationale, please? You feel that 40% of the country should not be represented?

 

[JamieinNH]

Rationale, please? You feel that 40% of the country should not be represented?

How many Democrat cabinet members did Bush put in? Were the other percentage of the voters not represented then or did that just start with this election?

I think it's crazy that you feel that just because a cabinet member of your party isn't put through that the people won't be represented.

The people haven't been "represented" in many many years and it won't change until we take a stay. It really doesn't matter which letter comes after the name.

 

[dragonfly]

Rationale, please? You feel that 40% of the country should not be represented?

How many democrats did Bush have in his Cabinet?

 

[just-want-peace]

How many democrats did Bush have in his Cabinet?

Man!! This board sure does have an echo!!:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Enoch]

Anyone who thinks the Obama seizure of the census is wonderful/great/fine by your standards is not dealing with a full deck or is pushing for Obama to change America to meet their radical agenda. We must do whatever we can to stop this power hungry madman. Put your politics aside and look at the real danger in such a move.

1.) The results of the census determine the decennial redrawing of Congressional districts. In other words, the census has tremendous political significance. Political parties are always eager to have a hand in redrawing districts so that they can maximize their own party’s clout while minimizing the opposition, often through gerrymandering.


2.) The census determines the composition of the electoral college, which of course chooses the president. If one party were to control the census, it could arguably try to perpetuate its own hold on political power.


3.) The results of the census are enormously important in another way – the allocation of federal funds. Theoretically, a political party could disproportionately steer federal funding to areas dominated by their own members through a skewing of census numbers. (A cynic might liken this to buying votes.)


4.) How, exactly, can census numbers be skewed? After all, a physical count is a physical count, right? Well, not exactly. Democrats have long advocated using mathematical estimates, a practice known as “sampling,” to count urban residents and immigrants. Republicans say the Constitution requires a physical head count, which entails going door-to-door.


5.) How much do such counting rules really matter? Well, just ask Utah Republicans, who recently lost out on a bid for a fourth congressional seat in the nation’s most conservative state. The GOP took the case all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, but fell short by a few hundred votes because the Census Bureau wouldn’t count Mormon missionaries from Utah serving temporarily overseas.



6.) Remember that the White House staff is headed by Rahm Emamuel, a product of the Chicago political machine who is viewed by critics as a bare-knuckled partisan brawler. Significantly, Emanuel once ran the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, an organization dedicated, obviously, to expanding Democrats’ dominance of the electoral college.


7.) “The political land grab is stunning,” Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, tells the Salt Lake Tribune. The census “is not intended to be political in any way shape or form. … We’re not even 15 days into this administration and they’re already working on the next campaign.”


8.) Rep. Rob Bishop, R-Utah, adds that neither the Constitution nor Congress has delegated census power to the White House chief of staff. “It would politicize the process much more than it needs to be, and it shouldn’t happen,” Bishop said. “It takes something that is supposedly apolitical like the census, and gives it to a guy who is infamously political.”


9.) Interestingly, Fox is the only TV news organization to even mention this controversy. Ask yourselves this question: If, eight years ago, newly minted President George W. Bush had ordered the Census Bureau to report directly to the White House, would the MSN have done stories raising alarm bells about Karl Rove getting control of an operation that is supposed to be insulated from politics?


10.) The change was announced just days after Obama named Republican Sen. Judd Gregg to be his Commerce Secretary. Gregg has long opposed “sampling” by the census and has voted against funding increases for the bureau. Some conservatives now wonder: Should Gregg withdraw his name from consideration to protest the removal of the Census Bureau from Commerce?

http://onthescene.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/02/09/the-politics-of-census-in-10-points/

Good move for Gregg!

 

[Enoch]

How many Democrat cabinet members did Bush put in?

Norman Yoshio Mineta
Secretary of Transportation

I guess in your mind Bush wins this one...

 

[LeBuick]

Anyone who thinks the Obama seizure of the census is wonderful/great/fine by your standards is not dealing with a full deck or is pushing for Obama to change America to meet their radical agenda. We must do whatever we can to stop this power hungry madman. Put your politics aside and look at the real danger in such a move.

Too late for this type of fear mongering, we've already given him the keys to the nation and 60%+ think he's doing great.

Oh, and PS... Obama will have no more control over this census then any president in the past. Good or bad, he has the power of the president and to start limiting power because you don't like THIS president will impact all future leaders.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

How many Democrat cabinet members did Bush put in? Were the other percentage of the voters not represented then or did that just start with this election?

I think it's crazy that you feel that just because a cabinet member of your party isn't put through that the people won't be represented.

The people haven't been "represented" in many many years and it won't change until we take a stay. It really doesn't matter which letter comes after the name.

Actually, Ted Kennedy wrote his education reform. There were others, but to say Bush ruled from a strict conservative platform is way off.

 

[Enoch]

Too late for this type of fear mongering, we've already given him the keys to the nation and 60%+ think he's doing great.

Oh, and PS... Obama will have no more control over this census then any president in the past. Good or bad, he has the power of the president and to start limiting power because you don't like THIS president will impact all future leaders.

I take it you support this move? Yes or No?