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Obama Explains Small Town America
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poncho
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So there we have it fellas. Obama's "religion" amounts to worshipping the state. Any individual who doesn't is an infidel and a danger to the "group". Just more collectivist doublethink.
Silly progressives the state isn't god. And can never give but what it first takes away.
Collectivists are the real bigots here always looking at people as "groups" instead of individual's. This mindset can only lead to division and animosity towards other "groups". Uniters? Ha! Quite the opposite.
Silly collectivists your "logic" is flawed from the get go. Always sacrificing the individual's rights and liberties for the "common good" means that you're only defeating your own purpose from the start. "Groups" are made up of individuals if you hamstring and strangle him every chance you get your precious "group" doesn't stand a chance.
Silly progressives the state isn't god. And can never give but what it first takes away.
Still stuck in that false left vs right paradigm I see. Told ya collectivists couldn't comprehend individualism the ideology that made this nation great.
Collectivists are the real bigots here always looking at people as "groups" instead of individual's. This mindset can only lead to division and animosity towards other "groups". Uniters? Ha! Quite the opposite.
Silly collectivists your "logic" is flawed from the get go. Always sacrificing the individual's rights and liberties for the "common good" means that you're only defeating your own purpose from the start. "Groups" are made up of individuals if you hamstring and strangle him every chance you get your precious "group" doesn't stand a chance.
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One of the biggest differences between Rs & Ds is the difference in the definition of "GOVERNMENT".
GOVERNMENT is:
D - 99.99% of the solution to all prblems;:BangHead:
R - 99.99% of the cause of all problems:thumbs:
Personally, I lean (very heavily) to the R side! (Betcha didn't know that, did you?):saint:
GOVERNMENT is:
D - 99.99% of the solution to all prblems;:BangHead:
R - 99.99% of the cause of all problems:thumbs:
Personally, I lean (very heavily) to the R side! (Betcha didn't know that, did you?):saint:
KenH
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just-want-peace said:
Yes, and reality is more like 50-50.
We don't want excessive government while at the same time we want roads, schools, fire departments, police departments, a military, assistance for those who need it, an equal opportunity society, a fair justice system, and seed money(especially on a local level) to promote economic progress(as we have done here locally) which require the involvement of government on various levels.
poncho
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There is very little difference between R's and D's. They are just two sides of the same coin each one acting on it's own behalf to avoid playing by the rules (constitution) put in place to limit the state's power.
They're like two kids arguing about how best to come to the same end. 100% government.
They're like two kids arguing about how best to come to the same end. 100% government.
The last 8yrs government is a prime example of what you say. I'm a republican and I understand that Bush has almost single handedly destroyed this country. It will take untelling untold number of years for andbody(R or D) to fix his mess. We've had a R government and it is proving what you say in the R line is true.just-want-peace said:
I've been looking this over and have to say this is another calculated risk that Obama is taking. He’s always run on a platform of change and is currently on top of the democratic ticket. He is down in the polls in these areas and knows he can’t beat Hillary with the “white working-class” using a traditional campaign but doesn’t want to concede based on the expected excuse of, “they don't want to vote for the black guy”.
So he reaches out to those impacted and sympathetic to the closing steel and automotive industries and all the ripple effects there of. Unemployment, crime, poverty etc… is the highest in those areas than anywhere else in the country.
I have a friend from Youngstown, OH who says most of the old factories and mills are still standing like a bombed out carcass reminding them of how they once lived in flourishing cities. There are people in these area's that never recovered and view these skeletons as symbols the country has forgotten them and no one on the Hill is listening. There are males who once functioned as head of the household and great producer for his family who now depends on his wife to support the family because most if not all new jobs are of hi-tech flavor and not suitable for a man whose skills are that of a steel worker.
Had this country not forgotten or if they are to believe things are getting better then why haven’t these desolate buildings been plowed over to make room for “economic growth”. So when Obama says, “People are fed up” he really is speaking for a cross section in those areas and saying I didn’t just hear the voice of my money supporters, large contributors and those who were able to buy $100 plate dinners. I was paying attention and heard every voice including yours.
Listen to what he said, "When I go around and talk to people, there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness. And what's worse is when people are expressing their anger, and politicians try to say, 'What are you angry about?' "
The question now, is Obama right? If Obama is right he will get these “frustrated” people to the polls and he will win by slight margins with these comments. If he is wrong or if these “frustrated” people don’t show up at the polls then he will loose but keep in mind he is already loosing in these areas so he really has nothing to loose.
People in these areas will begin seeing two types of ads over and over. Obama saying I hear you and Hillary saying he has voices in his head. The same will happen with phone calls, billboards and you name it. We won’t know the impact of these comments until the polls close.
So he reaches out to those impacted and sympathetic to the closing steel and automotive industries and all the ripple effects there of. Unemployment, crime, poverty etc… is the highest in those areas than anywhere else in the country.
I have a friend from Youngstown, OH who says most of the old factories and mills are still standing like a bombed out carcass reminding them of how they once lived in flourishing cities. There are people in these area's that never recovered and view these skeletons as symbols the country has forgotten them and no one on the Hill is listening. There are males who once functioned as head of the household and great producer for his family who now depends on his wife to support the family because most if not all new jobs are of hi-tech flavor and not suitable for a man whose skills are that of a steel worker.
Had this country not forgotten or if they are to believe things are getting better then why haven’t these desolate buildings been plowed over to make room for “economic growth”. So when Obama says, “People are fed up” he really is speaking for a cross section in those areas and saying I didn’t just hear the voice of my money supporters, large contributors and those who were able to buy $100 plate dinners. I was paying attention and heard every voice including yours.
Listen to what he said, "When I go around and talk to people, there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness. And what's worse is when people are expressing their anger, and politicians try to say, 'What are you angry about?' "
The question now, is Obama right? If Obama is right he will get these “frustrated” people to the polls and he will win by slight margins with these comments. If he is wrong or if these “frustrated” people don’t show up at the polls then he will loose but keep in mind he is already loosing in these areas so he really has nothing to loose.
People in these areas will begin seeing two types of ads over and over. Obama saying I hear you and Hillary saying he has voices in his head. The same will happen with phone calls, billboards and you name it. We won’t know the impact of these comments until the polls close.
KenH
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If Senator Clinton doesn't win Pennsylvania by at least 10% then she really should suspend her campaign. If she can't post a solid win in a state like Pennsylvania then there is really not any use in her continuing to campaign. It's not a matter of whether Senator Obama will lose in Pennsylvania but a question of much Senator Clinton wins by.
I think Obama is "spot on" in these comments. He is saying that these voters that are frustrated with the government leaving them behind in these small towns become "one issue" voters. They vote with only one issue in mind, be it "guns", "religion" or "immigration" issues. I live in small town america and I get what he is talking about. Working class America can't take another person like Bush in office, be it Obama, Hillary or McCain. When our only issues in voting become religion based, we lose. Look at how religion based votes got us with the Bush's. We aren't electing a pastor, we've got to get past that thinking. We elected a "pastor" with Bush in the name of abortion and religion and he's done nothing in that area and run this country in the ground in the process. As a matter of fact, what have the Republicans done for abortion in 24 years in office(Regan,Bush,Bush)? I liked Regan and Bush1 but honestly, the Republicans run on issues that we support just to get our vote, then nothing gets done.LeBuick said:
JustChristian
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TomVols said:
He didn't say "every small town" he said "a lot of small towns in the Midwest." Would anyone disagree that a lot of small towns have been passed by when it comes to jobs when the steel mill, the paper mill, or the auto plant closed down? We are changing from a manufacturing to a technical and service based economy. But this is cyclical. With everyone connected by the internet, people will be able to move back to the small towns where the quality of life is higher. I think the Boomer retirement will accelerate this.
Magnetic Poles said:
You'd rather I call him a pig, like you do ?
Yer funny.
Today Obama said: "I didn’t say it as well as I should have. Because the truth is, these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation, those are important. … But what is absolutely true is that people want to feel like they’re being listened to. And so they pray, and they count on each other and they count on their families."
He didn't say any better this time! People want to be understood - not just "feel like" they're listened to. People should pray and count of God Almighty. People should look to themselves and to thier families for their needs. People shouldn't look to the government to solve all their problems.
The whole purpose of this comments was to make people who've seen some difficult economic times believe that he, through government, can make everything better for them. It's a age old lie! Yet people still fall for it.
He didn't say any better this time! People want to be understood - not just "feel like" they're listened to. People should pray and count of God Almighty. People should look to themselves and to thier families for their needs. People shouldn't look to the government to solve all their problems.
The whole purpose of this comments was to make people who've seen some difficult economic times believe that he, through government, can make everything better for them. It's a age old lie! Yet people still fall for it.
Dragoon68 said:
I disagree, the first part of understanding is listening. His comments also indicate he understands some of how they feel because he spoke truthfull to some of their feelings. The response from Hillary and McCain indicate they don't believe what he said is true. I have members who had jobs like customer service, phone technical support etc... sent over seas and now they have nothing.
I don't think anyone is looking to government to solve all their problems but when we import more than we export and give incentives for corporation to off shore jobs then it's hard to believe the hill understands the situation of American's. No one is looking for governent to give them a job but I think it's fair to ask that we not give tax breaks to someone sending a potential job over sea's. They're not asking for a handout, just an interview.
Then there was NAFTA...
webdog said:
Amen brother
If a candidate stands for abortion and gay marriage, then he doesnt stand for the Lord and His teachings.
How can a Bible-believing chiristian vote for a candidate who promotes abortion and gay rights?
I dont agree with bush on how he handled the Iraqui war, but at least he is not trying to undermine the morals of my grandchildren by pushing immorality on them by law.
AJ