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Obama Is Giving It all Away

OldRegular

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It has always been my belief that the radical left hated Reagan because he brought about the fall and breakup of the Soviet Union. Now it appears that the leader of the radical leftists, Obama, is determined to give all that Reagan accomplished away. He promised Putin to be more flexible after the election. Is Crimea just the start of that flexibility?
 

poncho

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Socialism and corruption was already causing the fall of the Soviet Union when Reagan decided to get them into an arms race they couldn't afford.

The USSR would have fallen eventually even if Reagan did nothing. You know this to be true OR.

I understand we all need our heros but why keep perpetuating a myth? Because it fits the current media fear mongering narrative right?
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
Socialism and corruption was already causing the fall of the Soviet Union when Reagan decided to get them into an arms race they couldn't afford.

The USSR would have fallen eventually even if Reagan did nothing. You know this to be true OR.
Your assumption is invalid. The facts are that Reagan got tough with the "Evil Empire", came up with SDI and the wall came down! It is that simple poncho!

I understand we all need our heros but why keep perpetuating a myth? Because it fits the current media fear mongering narrative right?
To quote that famous TV detective, Sgt. Friday: Just the facts poncho, just the facts!
 

Baptist in Richmond

Active Member
Your assumption is invalid. The facts are that Reagan got tough with the "Evil Empire", came up with SDI and the wall came down! It is that simple poncho!

Actually, your assumption is equally invalid. Exactly how did former President Reagan "get tough with the 'Evil Empire?'" To what event can you point that is evidence that he "got tough" with the USSR? Was this on the battlefield?

An honest question, by the way.
 

OldRegular

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Actually, your assumption is equally invalid. Exactly how did former President Reagan "get tough with the 'Evil Empire?'" To what event can you point that is evidence that he "got tough" with the USSR? Was this on the battlefield?

An honest question, by the way.

Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism
By Lee Edwards, Ph.D.


Abstract: "The fall of the [Soviet] empire," former Czech president Vaclav Havel wrote, "is an event on the same scale of historical importance as the fall of the Roman Empire." It is true that Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev repudiated the Brezhnev Doctrine--that the Soviet Union will use force if necessary to ensure that a socialist state remains socialist--and in so doing undercut the Communist leaders and regimes of Eastern and Central Europe in the critical year of 1989. But why did Gorbachev abandon the Brezhnev Doctrine? One Western leader above all others forced the Soviets to give up the Brezhnev Doctrine and abandon the arms race, brought down the Berlin Wall, and ended the Cold War at the bargaining table and not on the battlefield: President Ronald Reagan.
Soviet Communism, the dark tyranny that controlled nearly 40 nations and was responsible for the deaths of an estimated 100 million victims during the 20th century, suddenly collapsed 20 years ago without a shot being fired.

In just two years--from 1989 to 1901--the Berlin Wall fell, the Soviet Union disintegrated, and Marxism- Leninism was dumped unceremoniously on the ash heap of history. There was dancing in the street and champagne toasts on top of the Brandenburg Gate. And then most of the world got on with living without asking:

http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/ronald-reagan-and-the-fall-of-communism

In Russia Reagan Remembered for Helping Bring Down the Soviet Union.

MOSCOW — He stunned the Soviet Union with his tough rhetoric, calling it an “evil empire” whose leaders gave themselves the “right to commit any crime.”
His famed “Star Wars” program drew the Soviets into a costly arms race it couldn’t afford. His 1987 declaration to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev at the Berlin Wall — “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall” — was the ultimate challenge of the Cold War.

Ronald Reagan’s determination to destroy communism and the Soviet Union was a hallmark of his eight-year presidency, carried out through a harsh nuclear policy toward Moscow that softened only slightly when Gorbachev came to office.
He is vividly remembered in Russia today as the force that precipitated the Soviet collapse.

“Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy, and he achieved his goal,” said Gennady Gerasimov, who served as top spokesman for the Soviet Foreign Ministry during the 1980s.

Reagan’s agenda toward Moscow started shortly after the start of his first term — and marked a major departure from the mild detente of the Jimmy Carter administration.

In 1981, Reagan backed his rhetoric with a trillion dollar defense buildup. U.S.-Soviet arms control talks collapsed, and the two nations targeted intermediate-range nuclear missiles at each other across the Iron Curtain in Europe.
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The deployment of the U.S. missiles in Europe rattled the Kremlin’s nerves, because of the shorter time they needed to reach targets in the Soviet Union compared to intercontinental missiles deployed in the United States.
In an even bigger shock to the Kremlin, Reagan in 1983 launched an effort to build a shield against intercontinental ballistic missiles involving space-based weapons.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5145921/n...helping-bring-down-soviet-union/#.UyzcUNzoaAt

The truth is that the leftist democrats would have propped up the Communist Regime just liked Roosevelt did, first in recognizing the most murderous government in history, and then by saving their butt in WWII.
 

poncho

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Your assumption is invalid. The facts are that Reagan got tough with the "Evil Empire", came up with SDI and the wall came down! It is that simple poncho!


To quote that famous TV detective, Sgt. Friday: Just the facts poncho, just the facts!

The USSR was corrupt and rotting from it's core out, it was in debt over it's head, it was over extended and barely holding on when Reagan was elected.

All Reagan did was hurry the inevitable collapse.

Look around you OR the USA is following in the same foot steps. Washington and Wall Street are corrupt and the country is rotting from the core out, we're over our heads in debt and we've over extended ourselves by waging several simultaneous wars, interventions, regime changes and nation building experiments in the name of "making the world safe for democracy".

And now the neocons and humanitarians would have us get involved in another cold war and arms race with Russia that we cannot afford!

The outcome of that can only go one way and it wouldn't be in our favor this time.
 
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FollowTheWay

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Your assumption is invalid. The facts are that Reagan got tough with the "Evil Empire", came up with SDI and the wall came down! It is that simple poncho!


To quote that famous TV detective, Sgt. Friday: Just the facts poncho, just the facts!

All Reagan did was to INCREASE the national debt and INCREASE the size of government. Contrary to his claims and the Republican fantasy, that's ALL he did.
 

poncho

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All Reagan did was to INCREASE the national debt and INCREASE the size of government. Contrary to his claims and the Republican fantasy, that's ALL he did.

I admire him for keeping the "crazies" under control as long as he did. Today's neocons were known as the "crazies" by limited government conservatives in those days.

Of course conservatism became a whole nuther animal under the Cheney - Bush puppet regime. At that time the republican party became the endless war party and has worked very hard to stay that way ever since, condemning anyone and everyone that might even suggest there are other ways of dealing with other nations besides punishing them with sanctions and/or blowing them to smithereens for not obeying Washington's diktats fast enough.
 
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OldRegular

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All Reagan did was to INCREASE the national debt and INCREASE the size of government. Contrary to his claims and the Republican fantasy, that's ALL he did.

Obama is the biggest buster of all, increasing the national debt by about 70%, increasing the number on food stamps by 20+ million, increasing the poverty rate substantially and making America look like a "wuss" among the nation of the world! A real winner that guy! But he can shoot hoops and shoot off his mouth!
 

FollowTheWay

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Obama is the biggest buster of all, increasing the national debt by about 70%, increasing the number on food stamps by 20+ million, increasing the poverty rate substantially and making America look like a "wuss" among the nation of the world! A real winner that guy! But he can shoot hoops and shoot off his mouth!

Reagan/GHW Bush DOUBLED the national debt and the GW Bush REDOUBLED it. In reality the government deficit has been going down under Obama. Here's what I consider to be a reliable source, Forbes:

2/27/2013 @ 5:21PM 43,230 views

The Best Kept Secret In American Politics-Federal Budget Deficits Are Actually Shrinking!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...deral-budget-deficits-are-actually-shrinking/
 

OldRegular

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Reagan/GHW Bush DOUBLED the national debt and the GW Bush REDOUBLED it. In reality the government deficit has been going down under Obama. Here's what I consider to be a reliable source, Forbes:

2/27/2013 @ 5:21PM 43,230 views

The Best Kept Secret In American Politics-Federal Budget Deficits Are Actually Shrinking!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...deral-budget-deficits-are-actually-shrinking/

That is smoke and mirrors. The National debt has increased by 7 trillion dollars under Obama. That compares to a 10 trillion dollar debt run up by all previous presidents. Obama intends to make this country a banana republic and is well on his way to success.
 

InTheLight

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Actually, your assumption is equally invalid. Exactly how did former President Reagan "get tough with the 'Evil Empire?'" To what event can you point that is evidence that he "got tough" with the USSR? Was this on the battlefield?

An honest question, by the way.

SDI was Reagan getting tough with the USSR. That was a future battlefield, the ultimate high ground, that the Soviets could never compete on.
 

OldRegular

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SDI was Reagan getting tough with the USSR. That was a future battlefield, the ultimate high ground, that the Soviets could never compete on.

The leftist democrats implied, well really simply said, that Reagan was stupid for even suggesting the SDI and ridiculed it as "Star Wars". Well Star Wars is a reality and if the paragon of leftist dogma had not betrayed the US and the Eastern Europeans it is likely there would have been a Missile Defense System in Eastern Europe and Obama would not need to be "flexible" with Putin.
 

Baptist in Richmond

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Reagan/GHW Bush DOUBLED the national debt and the GW Bush REDOUBLED it. In reality the government deficit has been going down under Obama. Here's what I consider to be a reliable source, Forbes:

2/27/2013 @ 5:21PM 43,230 views

The Best Kept Secret In American Politics-Federal Budget Deficits Are Actually Shrinking!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...deral-budget-deficits-are-actually-shrinking/

From your article:
"While these deficit numbers are, without question, a legitimate improvement, they are deficits none the less— which means the nation’s debt continues to grow. What’s more, the CBO projects that the good news will—if we remain on our current trajectory—turn negative in fiscal year 2015 and begin climbing once again unless we do something to cut spending, increase revenues or find some combination of the two."

That is less than a year from now.

Regards,
BiR
 

Revmitchell

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Site Supporter
From your article:
"While these deficit numbers are, without question, a legitimate improvement, they are deficits none the less— which means the nation’s debt continues to grow. What’s more, the CBO projects that the good news will—if we remain on our current trajectory—turn negative in fiscal year 2015 and begin climbing once again unless we do something to cut spending, increase revenues or find some combination of the two."

That is less than a year from now.

Regards,
BiR

It seems our friend did not read his own article.
 
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