Oh Pagan Tree

[Thinkingstuff]

Because unlike some dead religions I know I have a relationship with Jesus Christ, am evangelical by nature, and witness to those around me.

Faulty argument. Muslims also are evangelical by nature and witness to those around them.

 

[DHK]

Faulty argument. Muslims also are evangelical by nature and witness to those around them.

And do they have a relationship with Jesus Christ?
Are they the ones that are commanded to carry out the Great Commission (Mat.28:19,20; Acts 1:8)?

The question was asked: How do I know that they are unsaved. There is no faulty reasoning in my answer.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

And do they have a relationship with Jesus Christ?
Are they the ones that are commanded to carry out the Great Commission (Mat.28:19,20; Acts 1:8)?

The question was asked: How do I know that they are unsaved. There is no faulty reasoning in my answer.

First of all you assume that they do not have a personal relationship with Jesus. How do you know? You follow up that you are evangelical by nature. Evangelical by nature does not prove a personal relationship. It can evidence one but is by no means be proof. I may love my wife. But the fact I'm not shouting it from rooftops or on the street doesn't mean the opposit that I don't have a relationship with my wife. Your argument remains faulted.

 

[FriendofSpurgeon]

Because unlike some dead religions I know I have a relationship with Jesus Christ, am evangelical by nature, and witness to those around me.

Matt -- Because all Catholics and Orthodox are not real Christians.

 

[DHK]

First of all you assume that they do not have a personal relationship with Jesus. How do you know?

BECAUSE I HAVE WITNESSED TO THEM!!!

 

[Matt Black]

Because unlike some dead religions I know I have a relationship with Jesus Christ, am evangelical by nature, and witness to those around me.

So do/are the Catholics and Orthodox I know; they just do it differently to you

 

[Matt Black]

Matt -- Because all Catholics and Orthodox are not real Christians.

I sincerely hope you are joking...

 

[Thinkingstuff]

BECAUSE I HAVE WITNESSED TO THEM!!!

That was rather loud. My hearing must be going. Witnessing to them doesn't prove anything. You can witness to a tree but that won't affect their nature. You can walk downtown NYC and see a street evangelist witnessing to you. That doesn't mean you are lost . How does that prove they are not christian?

 

[Amy.G]

Funny thing is, the "pagans" in our society would like to do away with Christmas trees, Christmas decorations and Christmas altogether.

Go figure.

 

[FriendofSpurgeon]

I sincerely hope you are joking...

Sorry... I thought the sarcasm was obvious (but you're right, you never know...)

 

[Alive in Christ]

Matt,

DHK said...

"I have a RCC family living on one side of me and an Orthodox family living on the other side of me. They both put up Christmas trees, and other such decorations. They are both unsaved."

And you said...

"And how, pray tell, do you know this?"

1st of all, both of those organisations are overflowing with abomidable blasphemies and gross idolatries. The Catholic mass, as an example, could possibly be the most hideous blasphemy ever to appear on planet earth. And the Orthodox are just as bad. Both are engaged in, and perpetuating, full blown Goddess worship.

With that in mind, it is very reasonable to assume that the vast majority of those dear ones in those groups...particularly the clergy and very dedicated laity...are utterly lost.

2ndly...DHK mentioned that he has witnessed to them both. He knows them personally


:godisgood:

 

[Matt Black]

Sorry... I thought the sarcasm was obvious (but you're right, you never know...)

Thanks; evidently not obvious to everyone (see above - Alive in Christ, I personally know many Catholics and Orthodox, including clergy, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that they love Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour; I may not agree with every jot and tittle of their doctrine and practices, but that doesn't negate their salvation, anymore than their disagreeing with mine negates mine)

 

[Spinach]

Thanks; evidently not obvious to everyone (see above - Alive in Christ, I personally know many Catholics and Orthodox, including clergy, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that they love Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour; I may not agree with every jot and tittle of their doctrine and practices, but that doesn't negate their salvation, anymore than their disagreeing with mine negates mine)

I totally agree.

 

[tinytim]

Thanks; evidently not obvious to everyone (see above - Alive in Christ, I personally know many Catholics and Orthodox, including clergy, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that they love Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour; I may not agree with every jot and tittle of their doctrine and practices, but that doesn't negate their salvation, anymore than their disagreeing with mine negates mine)

Amen, and Amen...

Requiring someone to belong to a particular denomination is adding works to salvation...

I know some also that I feel are saved, ..

But I also know some that I feel are lost...

 

[DHK]

Amen, and Amen...

Requiring someone to belong to a particular denomination is adding works to salvation...

I know some also that I feel are saved, ..

But I also know some that I feel are lost...

I don't understand what is so hard about this concept to understand. There are unsaved in every denomination. No denomination, including Baptist, saves. Christ alone saves. If a person does not understand the gospel, has not trusted Christ as Savior, then they are not saved.
I said plainly that I witnessed to these people.
I said plainly that they are not saved because I witnessed to these people.
Connect the dots people!
They have not trusted Christ as their Saviour.
How on earth can they be saved, if they have not trusted Christ as their Saviour???
There is only one way to heaven, and it is not through a denomination!

 

[saturneptune]

I don't understand what is so hard about this concept to understand. There are unsaved in every denomination. No denomination, including Baptist, saves. Christ alone saves. If a person does not understand the gospel, has not trusted Christ as Savior, then they are not saved.
I said plainly that I witnessed to these people.
I said plainly that they are not saved because I witnessed to these people.
Connect the dots people!
They have not trusted Christ as their Saviour.
How on earth can they be saved, if they have not trusted Christ as their Saviour???
There is only one way to heaven, and it is not through a denomination!

Amen to that post.

 

[tinytim]

I don't understand what is so hard about this concept to understand. There are unsaved in every denomination. No denomination, including Baptist, saves. Christ alone saves. If a person does not understand the gospel, has not trusted Christ as Savior, then they are not saved.
I said plainly that I witnessed to these people.
I said plainly that they are not saved because I witnessed to these people.
Connect the dots people!
They have not trusted Christ as their Saviour.
How on earth can they be saved, if they have not trusted Christ as their Saviour???
There is only one way to heaven, and it is not through a denomination!

With that I agree 100% But you have been around enough to know that some Baptist automatically think that a person is unsaved if they are RCC.
They pre-judge them without talking to them.

 

[DHK]

With that I agree 100% But you have been around enough to know that some Baptist automatically think that a person is unsaved if they are RCC.
They pre-judge them without talking to them.

I never said that (in this thread). I said there is a Catholic on one side of me and an Orthodox on the other side of me, and both of them are unsaved. (They both have Christmas decorations, etc.). Then the question was put to me: How do you know they are unsaved? I answered plainly that I witnessed to them. The answer was still unacceptable. Now, you tell me why my answer was unacceptable. I never mentioned an entire denomination. Go back and read the thread.

 

[Gina B]

O Pagan tree? What happened to the annual, good old fashioned Little Pagan Drummer Boy ten zillion posts threads? Come on folks, it's tradition, not this new and modern pagan TREE discussion!

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I don't understand what is so hard about this concept to understand. There are unsaved in every denomination. No denomination, including Baptist, saves. Christ alone saves. If a person does not understand the gospel, has not trusted Christ as Savior, then they are not saved.
I said plainly that I witnessed to these people.
I said plainly that they are not saved because I witnessed to these people.
Connect the dots people!
They have not trusted Christ as their Saviour.
How on earth can they be saved, if they have not trusted Christ as their Saviour???There is only one way to heaven, and it is not through a denomination!

Why didn't you start there? So they told you they don't trust Jesus as their Savior? Ok. There is a good explination. The fact that you witnessed to them only means you're proclaiming Christ not that the people you're proclaiming him to aren't Saved. But you do know there are Catholics and Orthodox who do trust Jesus as their savior, right?