Ohio Republicans want voters to pay to get special ID cards

[Darrell C]

Foolishness. It's not even a matter of what someone is willing to pay. It's if they should be required to pay for something as a requirement to vote.

And if it's $8.50 today, who is to say that some won't knock it to $85 tomorrow?

It's just another way that the GOP and the old privileged white men have come up with to "legally" attempt to do what they ILLEGALLY did during Jim Crow.

And the fact that folks sit back and pretend it's not the same thing is pretty disgusting.

This is a valid point.

They doubled what I was paying for health insurance so now I do not have it.

Consider me disgusted.


God bless.

 

[Revmitchell]

Foolishness. Somehow requiring an id is equivalent to making someone pay to vote is just silliness.

 

[Zaac]

Foolishness. Somehow requiring an id is equivalent to making someone pay to vote is just silliness.

If you're impeding my ability to vote based upon me being able to pay for a card, then it is the equivalent by law.

Nothing again, but a round about ploy to suppress Black voters and the votes of the poor because they overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

So the GOP needs to stop and just tell the truth of what this is really about.

 

[Darrell C]

If you're impeding my ability to vote based upon me being able to pay for a card, then it is the equivalent by law.

Nothing again, but a round about ploy to suppress Black voters and the votes of the poor because they overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

So the GOP needs to stop and just tell the truth of what this is really about.

What about the poor white folk who make under the national poverty standard?

Oh that's right, they don't have to pay.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

If you're impeding my ability to vote based upon me being able to pay for a card, then it is the equivalent by law.

Nothing again, but a round about ploy to suppress Black voters and the votes of the poor because they overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

So the GOP needs to stop and just tell the truth of what this is really about.

And how about impeding my ability to have health insurance without having to go through the Government to get it?


God bless.

 

[Revmitchell]

Unless you have to pay at the voting booth then it is not pay to vote. Requiring an ID is smart. Not proving who you are is foolish. There is no reason to just trust someone when it comes to voting.

 

[Darrell C]

Unless you have to pay at the voting booth then it is not pay to vote. Requiring an ID is smart. Not proving who you are is foolish. There is no reason to just trust someone when it comes to voting.

And with what we've seen in the last few elections...plenty of reason to distrust.


God bless.

 

[carpro]

With 2016 approaching, Ohio Republicans are making a new push for a voter ID bill—setting the stage for another battle over voting in the nation’s most pivotal swing state.

Legislation introduced last week by conservatives in the statehouse would require that voters show a driver’s license, passport or military ID. They could also get a special state ID card which costs $8.50, or is free for those who make less than the federal poverty line—$11,770 a year.

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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ohio-republicans-push-new-voter-id-bill

Other similar laws have already passed the constitutional test in the Supreme Court.

Althought I believe the "special ID" needs to be free...and eventually will be.

 

[Zaac]

Unless you have to pay at the voting booth then it is not pay to vote. Requiring an ID is smart. Not proving who you are is foolish. There is no reason to just trust someone when it comes to voting.

Sure it is if you're requiring folks to have it or not get to vote. SO again, with the scant amount of possible voter fraud according to the SOS 's office in Ohio, there is OBVIOUSLY another reason for the GOP to be doing this.

 

[poncho]

How does the constitutional test work?

 

[777]

Unless you have to pay at the voting booth then it is not pay to vote. Requiring an ID is smart. Not proving who you are is foolish. There is no reason to just trust someone when it comes to voting.

Thread is trollbait from PMSNBC but I just want to clear the air on this "Republican SOS" over there in Ohio - the dude has been very duplicitous on voter ID and he actually has come out against it after being for it to get rid of his Tea Party opponent and then the Democrat in the general election. He's a Juan McCain operative that actually mailed out absentee ballots to ALL registered voters in the state in 2012 all on his own. That is begging for fraud. He is NO great arbiter of election/voter fraud at all, his numbers in his report are only those cases that were referred to for election irregularities. In fact, the SOS himself had is own residency "irregularities".

How is it possible that more people vote on Election Day than are even on the rolls? This has been honed to a fine art:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=2216

Three parts - fraud is rampant here in WA state with the vote by mail gimmick - in 2012, I received eight total ballots at this same address for the general election and never asked for one.

 

[Zaac]

How does the constitutional test work?

I'm sure the GOP scholars will come up with something crazy the same way they did with the Jim Crow Literacy tests where if you missed one question, you failed.

 

[Zaac]

 

[Zaac]

 

[carpro]

You can wail and gnash your teethe till the cows come home. Voter ID laws, when properly written are constitutional and here to stay.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawford_v._Marion_County_Election_Board

A 2005 Indiana law required all voters casting a ballot in person to present a United States or Indiana photo ID. Under the Indiana law, voters who do not have a photo ID may cast a provisional ballot. To have their votes counted, they must visit a designated government office within 10 days and bring a photo ID or sign a statement saying they cannot afford one.[1]

At trial, the plaintiffs were unable to produce any witnesses who claimed they were not able to meet the law's requirements. The defendants were likewise unable to present any evidence that the corruption purportedly motivating the law existed.

The District Court and 7th Circuit Court of Appeals both upheld the law. The circuit court was deeply divided, with the dissent characterizing the law as a thinly-veiled attempt to disenfranchise low-income Democratic Party voters.

The lead plaintiff was William Crawford, who was a Democratic member of the Indiana House of Representatives from Indianapolis from 1972-2012. The defendant was the election board of Marion County, Indiana. Indianapolis is the county seat of Marion County.

Summary[edit]
In a 6-3 decision in 2008, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the photo ID requirement, finding it closely related to Indiana's legitimate state interest in preventing voter fraud, modernizing elections, and safeguarding voter confidence.

Justice John Paul Stevens, in the leading opinion, stated that the burdens placed on voters are limited to a small percentage of the population and were offset by the state's interest in reducing fraud. Stevens wrote in the majority:

"The relevant burdens here are those imposed on eligible voters who lack photo identification cards that comply with SEA 483.[2] Because Indiana's cards are free, the inconvenience of going to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, gathering required documents, and posing for a photograph does not qualify as a substantial burden on most voters' right to vote, or represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting.

Texas' voter ID law was alsallowed to go forward by SCOTUS in 2012. There are others. It's legal and constitutional. Get over it.

 

[Zaac]

You can wail and gnash your teethe till the cows come home. Voter ID laws, when properly written are constitutional and here to stay.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawford_v._Marion_County_Election_Board






Texas' voter ID law was alsallowed to go forward by SCOTUS in 2012. There are others. It's legal and constitutional. Get over it.

Sounds like Obamacare. Gotten over that yet?

 

[Doubting Thomas]

I would definitely support a basic test for voters to see how well they understand the way our system of government is supposed to work. Theoretically, this is being taught in our school systems, so folks who graduate high school should be able to pass such a test.

 

[carpro]

Sounds like Obamacare. Gotten over that yet?

Voter ID laws don't undermine the economy, increase taxes, and cost jobs.

And they don't stop a single legitimate voter from voting.

Get over it. The public debate is over. They are legal and constitutional.

 

[OnlyaSinner]

IMO, the voter ID should come at no charge. However, in my current state of residence, a bill to have such a no-charge ID requirement took hits from exactly the same parts of the political spectrum, using all the same arguments except the one about fees. Thus I look at the fee as somewhat of a red herring in the philosophical discussion over voter IDs.

 

[Zaac]

Voter ID laws don't undermine the economy, increase taxes, and cost jobs.

Sure it does.

And they don't stop a single legitimate voter from voting.

Sure they do.

Get over it. The public debate is over. They are legal and constitutional.

Don't have to. The public debate is ongoing. SO they might as well just make it free cause we're not in the 60s anymore.