Oil and Virgins

Perishing has to do with spiritual life. Ref. John 3:16

 

That's about the most unBiblical statement I've heard in quite a while. So how do you explain Acts 16:30-31 where we are told to believe and we will be saved. It says believe. Why can't you trust God's Word instead of change it?

The devils believe in the existence, not that Christ died for them, because He didn't. You are comparing apples and oranges again.

 

Unsaved people are spiritually dead. How does a dead man die? He doesn't. He's already dead.

You hit the nail on the head if you would just believe what you type. It has to do with spiritual life. The person addressed in John 3:16 was spirtually alive. And if he doesn't continue to believe (that's the present tense verb which calls for continual action) then he will perish. He won't lose his spiritual salvation, because that is irreversable, but he will lose his soul (life).

You can lose your life (soul) in this age and save it in the next age, or you and save your life (soul) now and lose it in the age to come.

It's amazing how the Bible just flows together giving us one big picture that doesn't contradict, but just meshes right together.

 

We don't cause our salvation. Only Christ can do that. However, we can forfeir it by not believing (present, active participle) on Him. Hey, it's in the Bible. You quoted the verse. Don't you accept His word?

 

Spiritual Salvation cannot be lost or forfeited once received. Neither can it be gained without certain acts on our behalf.

Repent

Faith

Confession

Prayer

 

So StraightandNarrow and SFIC just both showed they believed in a salvation by grace through faith plus works instead of by grace through faith apart from works. You two just keep rewriting Scripture to fits you needs don't you.

 

I will not ignore scripture, nor will I rewrite it.

We cannot take one verse and build doctrine on it. We must rightly divide the Word of Truth. If Jesus said we must repent, we must repent. If Paul wrote we must confess, we must confess. If Paul wrote we must call on the name of the Lord, we must call on the name of the Lord.

No rewriting about it, but rather living by it.

 

He that believeth not is condemned already.

But belief an action word. Faith without works is dead. I can say I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but if I do not repent of my sin and I continue to live in my sin, if I do not live Christ, my faith is dead. Not worth the words spoken.

Even the drunk will say he believes in Christ when you talk about the Lord. Yet he continues to live in his drunkenness.

No my friends, Belief is more than just speaking the words, it is living the Word.

 

how do you get works out of 'repenting, confessing, believing, and calling?' all of these are commanded in scripture as reasons salvation is given.

I have given verses to show this.

 

They did say those things, but they must be understood in the context that they were given, not a context that you assign to the text.

Again you are taking Bible passages and assigning your own context instead of allowing the context of the passages to tell you what they mean.

That is a works based salvation! And Scripture speaks against that in Ephesians 2:8-9. It seems as though you want to trust Christ, but you also want to trust in yourself. And this is coming from the person that insists that eternal salvation is based on Christ's righteousness, but then turns around and says that we must live right in order to be saved.

Which is it SFIC? Is it by faith or by works or both? The Bible says by faith apart from works. I think I'll stick to the Bible.

 

These are all things you do. You change your mind. You confess with your mouth and you call upon the name of the Lord. Those are works. You can deny that. You can re-define them. You can do whatever you want to do, but they are works and are not associated with eternal salvation.

Again you are taking the passages where these are mentioned and assigning your own context.

Wonder why Acts 16:31 doesn't say anything about repentence, about confessing or calling? I guess they just led that poor jailor astray huh?

 

Tell you what, JJump and HoG,

You rely on belief alone. I will teach the fact that faith without works is dead. I will teach that men must call on the Lord. I will teach that men must confess the Lord. I will teach repentance from sin.

I will teach the full counsel of God and not just one verse.

 

I teach exactly the same thing, but I teach these Truths within the Bible given context instead of creating one of my own to make my tradition continue. That's the difference!

 

You say believing alone is enough to save. James says faith without works is dead.

I will believe James and teach thus.

 

Amen!

James 2: 14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

This passage alone shows that faith alone, just saying 'I believe Jesus is Lord,' is not enough to save. One must have a repentent heart, one must confess one's sins to the Lord, one must call upon the Lord for Salvation.

Faith alone is dead, as James said. We cannot say belief alone can save. James showed us this.