Okay ... let's say we accept all these children and make them citizens, THEN WHAT?

[righteousdude2]

Look, the one thing the media does well is give their liberal slant on subjects. No wonder Obama comes out of all his messes looking unscathed :laugh:

Last night, all three network news outlets took time to go to the home countries from where these kids escaped, and they built up a strong case for feeling empathy towards their plight!

So, let's say I am now on the fence and willing to say, "I think I may be feeling we should let them stay and do whatever is needed to make their assimilation easy and successful?

The only question I have, and it haunts me and it won't leave me alone. Sort of like what a nagging wife might sound like, if mine nagged me, which she doesn't!

Where do we draw the line and say, "Enough is enough?" We just can't take any more adults or children, if we expect to be able to provide the kind of care needed and keep us from becoming a third-world country in the process of showing love?

How much is too much? No nation can continue to take in all the poor and needy of the world without one day becoming so overwhelmed that the nation itself becomes like the nation(s) these folks escaped from, becoming too crowded to maintain the kind of civil law and order, financial prosperity, and employment opportunities to keep the general workforce and populace off welfare and productive enough to fill the government coffers?

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Look at it this way...we are a boat on the sea of humanity, and there is only so much room aboard that boat. To exceed its limitations would place all on board in danger of capsizing or sinking, and in doing so, make it impossible for anyone to survive.

What are your views and thoughts of this approach to America and the flood of immigrants coming here illegally?

 

[JamesL]

There was a time when your ancestors arrived in a boat, and my ancestors weren't given a choice.

Think about this one:
You're always harping about the moral decline in this country, how this country is slipping away from God, how we're turning into such a godless society....

If enough of these little boats show up that our economy suffers, maybe people here will finally realize they need a God who is greater than money and material goods

And that goes the same for those who profess to love Him, yet serve the god of greenbacks

 

[exscentric]

They are already talking of bringing the parents here to take care of their kids - seems more and more like a democrat plan to buy votes when they get amnesty/dream act/whatever they will call it. Seal the boarder and then have a discussion if you want.

The line has been crossed millions of times already.

 

[righteousdude2]

May I suggest to you ....

There was a time when your ancestors arrived in a boat, and my ancestors weren't given a choice.

Think about this one:
You're always harping about the moral decline in this country, how this country is slipping away from God, how we're turning into such a godless society....

If enough of these little boats show up that our economy suffers, maybe people here will finally realize they need a God who is greater than money and material goods

And that goes the same for those who profess to love Him, yet serve the god of greenbacks

If you are not on Myspace of Facebook, please go on and find several atheist humanist, skeptic groups. Then share with them Jesus and His love. Then come back and tell me how this nation needs God!

I agree, but you will see for yourself, by sharing Jesus on line with these godless people, that the hate for us and our God is growing! How many more of the folks coming into this country are going to be open to recieving Jesus. We were told by Jesus, that the road to hell is wide.

We are a Godless nation brother, and that hate for God is growing daily! If you don't believe me, do as I suggest, find a FB page that is one that allows firiendly debate between believers and non believers and you will see in a heart beat, what I am talking about is true!

OH, and as for your opening comment. My ancestors were here first, and also had to accept the boat people!

But back in those days, the boat people did it legally. And there were caps on how many immigrants could come each year.

That is no longer the case! You know nothing about my ancestory, and it would be good to ask before you speak. My grandmother was Hispanic, and she met my grandfather, a german immigrant, WHO CAME HERE LEGALLY and married!

God bless you James!:flower:

 

[righteousdude2]

Just Today ...

They are already talking of bringing the parents here to take care of their kids - seems more and more like a democrat plan to buy votes when they get amnesty/dream act/whatever they will call it. Seal the boarder and then have a discussion if you want.

The line has been crossed millions of times already.

A teen who came over two months ago, was reunited with his mmigrant father and step mother woi came here illegaly 20 years ago. BTW - they are still illegal. And now there is one more here without proper approval! This was here in the city I live in. Hundreds held a party for the by at the local park, welcoming him to the family!

 

[Melanie]

Getting back to basics.....this is called queue jumping, there is a paper trail to do the migrant thing legally, which is LESS dangerous and probably LESS expensive, so WHY is this continuing.

People who have left all they possessed in a flight for their lives usually do not have their paperwork with them.....so is the legal way TOO frustrating , too selective? Does any country accept manual labourers these days, is there a possibility for a bonded service like for medical folk etc.

Chucking people back to a hell hole is only going to ramp up the hostility of the have nots and those that have.

Our economic system is not particularly people friendly so is time to readjust it?

Just some thoughts, feel free to wade in with contributions or what have you.:tonofbricks:

 

[Zaac]

Okay ... let's say we accept all these children and make them citizens, THEN WHAT?

We love them as we love ourselves.

 

[Don]

Getting back to basics.....this is called queue jumping, there is a paper trail to do the migrant thing legally, which is LESS dangerous and probably LESS expensive, so WHY is this continuing.

People who have left all they possessed in a flight for their lives usually do not have their paperwork with them.....so is the legal way TOO frustrating , too selective? Does any country accept manual labourers these days, is there a possibility for a bonded service like for medical folk

Always has been. It's called work visas.

What we have is a lot of people who have been given the notion that they don't have to go through the normal system. What we need to address is where they got that notion from; as well as the fact that if we give them amnesty, then we're reinforcing that notion.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Always has been. It's called work visas.

What we have is a lot of people who have been given the notion that they don't have to go through the normal system. What we need to address is where they got that notion from; as well as the fact that if we give them amnesty, then we're reinforcing that notion.

They got the notion from this particular administration's publicity over the DACA program. The president - in a campaign of presenting himself with 10 young illegals who have been granted a temporary DREAMER's status and allowed to remain illegal - basically told the rest of the world that the United States won't reject any illegals under 30.

George W. Bush also paved the way for certain illegal children not to be deported, but his rationale was that children who were victims of sex trafficking and drug trafficking would be granted amnesty in the U.S. - not children and young people in general. (The Wilberforce (?) law.)

There has got to be a better way to enforce the legalities of people who wish to become citizens here.

I have no qualms with anyone, anywhere who wants to become an American citizen and having done so, support our country and work hard to make their lives better.

We are ALL immigrants from somewhere. My families came here from Spain, Germany, and England. Some before 1776 and some after.

I have a friend who is illegal and she is working hard to gain American citizenship. She has two illegal children and two anchor babies. They walked here from Guatemala - WALKED - when the two older children were around 4 and 5. She's been duped by two Hispanic "attorneys" in Texas who have lied to their own ethnic group and stolen their money in promise of obtaining legal status. These men [American citizens themselves] should be in jail - they are criminals.

I want her to remain and for her children to remain. The two older children are some of the hardest working students I've seen and their mother also works very hard. My family and other families help them as best we can.

But this influx of 52,000 children believing that America will not send them back because of the rule of law is a terrible, terrible problem.

And Zaac (yes, I AM addressing you now), you said that it's our responsibility to love them like we love ourselves.

How many of these children are you going to adopt? Or pay for their medical care, schooling, citizenship fees, and more?

What IS loving these people to you?

 

[Zaac]

And Zaac (yes, I AM addressing you now), you said that it's our responsibility to love them like we love ourselves.

How many of these children are you going to adopt? Or pay for their medical care, schooling, citizenship fees, and more?

Scarlett, I have three foster kids in my house right now because there are so many kids in the system. I'll continue to take in as many as God will give me room to take in.

If my HOA would let me add onto the house I would. :laugh:

But to answer your question, I probably won't be adopting any of them unless they make their way to Georgia. But there are indeed more ways to love on these kids than to adopt them.

All I'm saying is that folks in the church need to stop responding to everything based on politics and start responding with the love of Christ.

Instead of what benefits us, what benefits them now that they are here.

What IS loving these people to you?

Treating them the way I would want to be treated if I had miraculously traveled hundreds and thousands of miles to get somewhere.

I again think this is a wonderful opportunity to share the love and Gospel of Jesus Christ with THOUSANDS we would had to travel outside the country to reach before.

 

[Gina B]

But back in those days, the boat people did it legally. And there were caps on how many immigrants could come each year.

God bless you James!:flower:

Isn't he is talking about the first settlers, who took the land from the Native Americans?
What laws did the Native Americans have concerning people who came here, and the caps on how many people could come? Where can I find this information?

 

[righteousdude2]

That is possible

Isn't he is talking about the first settlers, who took the land from the Native Americans?
What laws did the Native Americans have concerning people who came here, and the caps on how many people could come? Where can I find this information?

My bad for not understanding this! Good point!

 

[righteousdude2]

And more for Zaac, and yes I mean Zaac!

And Zaac (yes, I AM addressing you now), you said that it's our responsibility to love them like we love ourselves.

How many of these children are you going to adopt? Or pay for their medical care, schooling, citizenship fees, and more?

What IS loving these people to you?

Honestly reply to this Zaac. No Zaacspinisms, please. Let's say Americans are given the option to adopt these kids to keep them here, how many can we count on you taking in, paying for, even through college if that came about?

How many can Tío Sam ... count on you to take?

All of us on the board are waiting to hear your loving response. :thumbs:

Oh, I was asked that same question, and regretfully had to decline, as my budget would not allow the housing and feeding of a growing child! Even if welfare helped out, there'd stil be some out of pocket expenses that would arise and I simply don't have the money to spare! Plus I don't speak Spanish. And I'd have to get a home with another bedroom, which means moving, well, you get it. It just isn't feasable!

Does that make me unloving. No, it shows that I am wise enough to look beyond the blood of a momentary bleeding heart leak, and see that the costs will be for a lifetime! I can't commit to that, plus I give what I have to children and single mothers on skid row. You know those unfortunately American citizens that still need help getting out of a bad place too!

Just thought you might want to know, so you can't spin off asking me what I'd do.

So, right now, tell us, how many of those 52,000 immigrants here in America ILLEGALLY can Tío Sam ... count on you to take out of the refugee camp and give a permanent home to?

 

[Doubting Thomas]

The question is even if some folks are open to adopting some of these kids, what kind of legal red tape would be involved in adopting them?

 

[Don]

The question is even if some folks are open to adopting some of these kids, what kind of legal red tape would be involved in adopting them?

Determining if the parents are still alive; if they are, will they absolve parental rights; ensuring compliance with the agreements between their home country and ours...and oh so much more....

 

[Zaac]

Determining if the parents are still alive; if they are, will they absolve parental rights; ensuring compliance with the agreements between their home country and ours...and oh so much more....

And as far stretched as DFACS is, it would probably be a while before an adoption could get approved which is why I said there are other things that followers of Christ can do to be the face of Jesus for these kids.

If God is allowing them to get here, it's could be an opportunity to reach someone for Him who probably hasn't had the opportunity to hear.

 

[Bro. James]

What would Jesus do? He was able to feed thousands with very little.

"oh ye of little faith"

There is a solution to this dilemma. It is not sending the children back to the abyss.

We are reaping the sowing of greed and self righteousness--it is coming back like a whirlwind.

Time to repent and do the first works.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Zaac]

What would Jesus do? He was able to feed thousands with very little.

"oh ye of little faith"

There is a solution to this dilemma. It is not sending the children back to the abyss.

We are reaping the sowing of greed and self righteousness--it is coming back like a whirlwind.

Time to repent and do the first works.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

:applause::applause::applause:

 

[Gina B]

Who is a child?

I think that many kind-hearted and well-intentioned people in our churches see the word "child" and think of sweet, innocent kids and if they have issues, why, a little love and a few hugs and some church will fix 'em right up.
The reality that many people under the age of eighteen, even in American society, have been living self sufficient lives and involved in drugs, gangs, assaults, and criminal lifestyles isn't sinking in. That some lie about age isn't sinking in. (want to adopt a twenty year old gang member with a baby face who passed as 14?)
It's great to want to do good, but wisdom is needed in order for this good to not actually be harm.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I know Massachusetts law makes in impossible to know the mental and criminal histories of children up for adoption. I know a lot of families who have been destroyed by adopted kids. Thousands, as my history working with juvenile delinquents for nine years will attest to. They are not isolated incidents.