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Old Covenant?

JonC

Moderator
Moderator
The first covenant was NOT flawed based on the members,
So God messed up and fixed His mistake?

The flaw was the first covenant did not make the flawed members perfect, but the second one did.
Yes...that is exactly what I said. The Old Covenant was not designed to perfect man. It showed man his sin.

But you are saying what I was saying, just differently.

Take away man with his imperfection. The Old Covenant would work. Add man, it will not.

Hey! Paul was right. Go figure.
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
No, the fault in the first covenant was that it did not make those covered perfect. That is why we now have the Everlasting New Covenant providing eternal security.

I think that has already been brought out.

Whose fault was it that the Old was not sufficient? Certainly not God being that man has now placed himself at the mercy and grace of God for his very survival.

It took time for God to provide a Redeemer for man to be totally redeemed.

Man is at fault every step of the way, in that the Old was not sufficient to undo what he had done.

But in God's mercy and grace the Old was sufficient to forgive sin based on the promise of God to provide a future way to be totally redeemed.
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
I think that has already been brought out.

Whose fault was it that the Old was not sufficient? Certainly not God being that man has now placed himself at the mercy and grace of God for his very survival.

It took time for God to provide a Redeemer for man to be totally redeemed.

Man is at fault every step of the way, in that the Old was not sufficient to undo what he had done.

But in God's mercy and grace the Old was sufficient to forgive sin based on the promise of God to provide a future way to be totally redeemed.

Not trying to argue in the negative but only taking the insufficiency of the Old to its logical conclusion.
 

Ascetic X

Active Member
Is there a verse in the bible that states anyone has entered his rest? Please point it or them out.
Hebrews 4:3,10

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
 
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