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Old earth or young earth?

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TCassidy

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Proverbs 11:14 Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

15:22 Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established.

19:20 Hear counsel, and receive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end.

Proverbs 10:8 The wise in heart accepts advice, but a chattering fool will fall.

Proverbs 2:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but he who is wise listens to counsel.

Proverbs 13:16 Every prudent man acts from knowledge, but a fool exposes folly.

Proverbs 15:5 A fool despises his elder’s correction, but he who heeds reproof shows prudence.

Proverbs 17:10 A rebuke enters deeper into one who has understanding than a hundred lashes into a fool.

Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding, but only in revealing his own opinion.

Proverbs 23:9 Don’t speak in the ears of a fool, for he will despise the wisdom of your words.

Proverbs 26:11 As a dog that returns to his vomit, so is a fool who repeats his folly.

Proverbs 26:12 Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

Proverbs 28:26 One who trusts in himself is a fool.

Proverbs 29:11 A fool vents all of his anger, but a wise man brings himself under control.

Proverbs 29:20 Do you see a man who is hasty in his words? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
 

JonC

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God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. I do not need nor want the advice of a cyber bully.
This is how the world views the church, as bullies trying to push their values on them….tolerant of anything except objective truth.

No one is bullying you. None of us have any doubt where you stand, as you’ve made that very clear. We are simply holding up the mirror of Scripture so that you can evaluate yourself. I can guarantee you this - God will not bless your efforts while you are opposed to His will.

Please, won't you consider the passages that others have offered to you? You don't have to do it here, or even acknowledge my request. But go to your pastor and seek discipleship. Set aside your pride and place yourself in submission to Christ within the local church that you belong.
 

Steven Yeadon

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Evangelist, I am only a child in the faith for a year, but I have to say that in my own judgment, this thread and some others you made recently seem to divide, factionalize, and create strife. Now, I do not think you are doing that on purpose, though.

The reason I say this is because you start out with a set in stone position, and then ask people to help you make it better in order to defend it from others on these boards you are trying to teach. Its designed to start a throw down argument, which seems like a good way of doing things in some cases where that seems the best or only way of doing things. However, as I found out with my first thread on this forum to perfect bapticostal prophecy, it takes Proverbial wisdom and humility to purposefully start a war of words, because I may be proven wrong on a sacred cow I had for years. As for me, I may just be a bad or unimaginative exegete in some cases I didn't know about.

Please accept this as well intentioned correction, as I believe others are trying to give.
 

Aaron

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For me the most sound argument for new Believers like myself for a young earth is to say the world has apparent age. That God made the universe to seem old,

It doesn't have apparent age. It only looks millions of years old if one is told that it is millions of years old.
 

InTheLight

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It doesn't have apparent age. It only looks millions of years old if one is told that it is millions of years old.
Yep. Cuz nothin' says, "hey, I'm 6,000 years old" like the Grand Canyon.

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Martin Marprelate

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Yep. Cuz nothin' says, "hey, I'm 6,000 years old" like the Grand Canyon.

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I was at the Grand canyon earlier this month. The sandstone parts would have eroded away long before 100 million years or whatever they're telling us. It would be interesting to look at pictures from even 100 years ago and see if they've changed over the years.
 

InTheLight

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I was at the Grand canyon earlier this month. The sandstone parts would have eroded away long before 100 million years or whatever they're telling us. It would be interesting to look at pictures from even 100 years ago and see if they've changed over the years.
Where did you get your geology degree?

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Steven Yeadon

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The earth clearly has some dating issues given we have found trees growing through supposedly thousands of years of soil, given the existence of giant hill-like chevron's formed by catastrophic flooding of coastlines, and given we have found human remains in coal.

Still for those who look out to space, the show seems over and the stars and planets must have apparent age.
 

percho

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I am old earth, young foundation of the world and here are some reasons why.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. From 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isa 14:13,14 and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. From James 1:15



Did the sin of the devil, who sinned from the beginning, being about? And the earth was waste and empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, From Genesis 1:2,



Therefore God beings about the, creation of the world (Kosmos from Rom 1:20 and Genesis 1:2 second part through 31 and the means for the manifestation of the Son of God to destroy the works of the devil. - For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. From 1 John 3:8



The works of the devil being carried on from Genesis 1:2 first part in that God: For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;



That hope being redemption by the blood of the Son of God, Christ, redemption of the body, foreordained before the foundation of the world (Kosmos)., being the means of destroying the works of the devil, the death. Also Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;



When was the devil created? When did he sin? What death did the sin of the devil bring? When was the earth created? When was the foundation of the world, Kosmos?
 

Aaron

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LOL. Young earth geologists point to the Grand Canyon for just that reason.
The six days of Creation are 6, 24-hour days. There was no prexistence of physical matter before day one, there is no gap, and no pre-Adamic race.
 

InTheLight

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The six days of Creation are 6, 24-hour days. There was no prexistence of physical matter before day one, there is no gap, and no pre-Adamic race.
Your evidence is overwhelming, your argument irrefutable. Glad that's settled then.

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