Old or Young Earth?

[Deacon]

Why does day mean something different in Genesis?

I'd have to presume you've not read Genesis with your eyes open.

In the first two chapters of Genesis, the word DAY is used in three different ways.

1. A full, normal day.
2. The period that the sun shines during a day.
3. The full period of creation, all seven day's.

I'm the one who believes "day" should be translated like it is in Genesis, not you!

Rob

 

[Sapper Woody]

I am a YEC, apparent ager. I know that's not a long answer, but it states my position succinctly.

 

[annsni]

Why does day mean something different in Genesis?

It doesn't.

 

[Revmitchell]

The 10 Best Evidences from Science that Confirm a Young Earth
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#1 Very Little Sediment on the Seafloor

For Additional Information:

The Sands of Time: A Biblical Model of Deep Sea-Floor Sedimentation
The Sands of Time: A Biblical Model of Deep Sea-Floor Sedimentation (pdf)
“Sea Salt, Erosion, and Sediments” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past1 (pdf)

#2 Bent Rock Layers

For Additional Information:

Rock Layers Folded, Not Fractured
“Soft-Sediment Deformation Features” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past2 (pdf)
“Megasequences of North America” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past3 (pdf)

#3 Soft Tissue in Fossils

For Additional Information:

Two: Those Not-So-Dry Bones
More Soft Tissue in “Old Fossils”

#4 Faint Sun Paradox

For Additional Information:

The Young Faint Sun Paradox and the Age of the Solar System

#5 Rapidly Decaying Magnetic Field

For Additional Information:

The Earth’s Magnetic Field Is Young
The Earth’s Magnetic Field and the Age of the Earth
“The Earth’s Magnetic Field” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past4 (pdf)

#6 Helium in Radioactive Rocks

For Additional Information:

Helium Diffusion Rates Support Accelerated Nuclear Decay
Young Helium Diffusion Age of Zircons Supports Accelerated Nuclear Decay
The Age of the Earth’s Atmosphere Estimated by its Helium Content
“Helium in Rocks and in the Atmosphere” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past5 (pdf)

#7 Carbon-14 in Fossils, Coal, and Diamonds

For Additional Information:

Carbon-14 in Fossils and Diamonds
Carbon-14 Evidence for a Recent Global Flood and a Young Earth
Measurable 14C in Fossilized Organic Materials: Confirming the Young Earth Creation-Flood Model
“The Pitfalls in the Radioactive Dating Methods—The Radiocarbon Dating Method” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past6 (pdf)
“Carbon-14 Dating” from Thousands . . . not Billions7 (pdf)

#8 Short-Lived Comets

For Additional Information:

Comets and the Age of the Solar System
Kuiper Belt Objects: Solution to Short-Period Comets?
More Problems for the ‘Oort Comet Cloud’

#9 Very Little Salt in the Sea

For Additional Information:

The Sea’s Missing Salt: A Dilemma for Evolutionists
“Sea Salt, Erosion, and Sediments” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past8 (pdf)

#10 DNA in “Ancient” Bacteria

For Additional Information:

Bacterial Life in Ancient Salt



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[evangelist6589]

I'd have to presume you've not read Genesis with your eyes open.

In the first two chapters of Genesis, the word DAY is used in three different ways.

1. A full, normal day.
2. The period that the sun shines during a day.
3. The full period of creation, all seven day's.

I'm the one who believes "day" should be translated like it is in Genesis, not you!

Rob

You assume too much. A day is a literal 24-hour period to speak plainly. Is this what you believe?

 

[quantumfaith]

You assume too much. A day is a literal 24-hour period to speak plainly. Is this what you believe?

Just thought you might have a little fun with this:

http://www.exploratorium.edu/ronh/age/

 

[Don]

You assume too much. A day is a literal 24-hour period to speak plainly. Is this what you believe?

Read Genesis 2:4. You're focusing on Genesis 1; Deacon is referring to ALL of the book of Genesis.

 

[Rolfe]

I plead ignorance:

From Wiki:

en·tro·py
/ˈentrəpē/

noun

1. a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.
2. lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.synonyms:deterioration, degeneration, crumbling, decline, degradation; More deterioration, degeneration, crumbling, decline, degradation, decomposition, breaking down, collapse, disorder, chaos
3. (in information theory) a logarithmic measure of the rate of transfer of information in a particular message or language.

Sounds like what happens when one turns sixty. :laugh:

 

[blessedwife318]

Just thought you might have a little fun with this:

http://www.exploratorium.edu/ronh/age/

That website is cool. I could see how that would be a fun site for kids learning about the different planets. And I'm glad to see Pluto is included

 

[Van]

If the duration of a "day" marks the time interval needed for the earth to complete one rotation, then if back in the day, the earth rotated twice as fast as today, would the day have been shorter?

How long would a day be before the sun was set in the sky to establish the duration of a day?

Why do so many repeatedly ignore scripture which says we do not know exactly how God created everything? Job 38.

 

[Greektim]

What do you believe in? Do you believe in a old earth? If so how do you explain the plants that require pollination by insects which did no exist until day 6 of creation. How could the plants have survived for such long ages if a day is not a literal 24-hour period of time? When God says a day in Genesis why does it have a different meaning than a day said in the rest of the Old Testament?

This debate/discussion is old

 

[quantumfaith]

If the duration of a "day" marks the time interval needed for the earth to complete one rotation, then if back in the day, the earth rotated twice as fast as today, would the day have been shorter?

How long would a day be before the sun was set in the sky to establish the duration of a day?

Why do so many repeatedly ignore scripture which says we do not know exactly how God created everything? Job 38.

You make some salient points, particularly with regard to those who lean and regard themselves as more "literalist" in nature. If memory serves correctly according the Genesis 1 account, the sun did not exist until "day four".

You are correct, we will never understand all the mysteries which surround our planet, solar system and universe....but I do appreciate the curiosity and the desire to understand that God has granted as one of our innate attibutes.

 

[quantumfaith]

This debate/discussion is old

I suggest it may be billions of years old.

 

[ShagNappy]

What do you believe in?

I believe if God wanted us to know the age of the Earth He would have told us. People who obsess over the age of it, YEC, or OEwhatevers, are doing nothing but creating strife and division within the body and should go soak their heads.

God created it so He is in control of it... that was the intended message.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You can actually see erosion occur, up here in the American Northwest. The gullies and trenches cut by melt off from Mt. St. Helens is already digging new river beds.

I'm a young Earther. But we got trees that are over 6000 years old. I'm pretty sure we're a little older than that.

 

[Deacon]

Let’s substitute a literal ‘twenty-four hours’ for the word ‘day’ and see how it confounds the text.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light twenty-four hours, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first twenty-four hours.
(Genesis 1:3-5)

The very first mention of “day” doesn’t mean 'twenty-four hours' but the time of day-light.

Look at Genesis chapter 2:

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh twenty-four hour period God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh twenty-four hour period from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh twenty-four hour period and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

These are the generations
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of the heavens and the earth when they were created,
in the twenty-four hour period that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
​

(Genesis 2:1-4)

The first chapters of Genesis banters with many words and phrases; the word, ‘day’ is the simplest of these examples.

It is not a simple text and to say everything must be interpreted literally would do it injustice.

Rob

 

[Salty]

I believe if God wanted us to know the age of the Earth He would have told us. People who obsess over the age of it, YEC, or OEwhatevers, are doing nothing but creating strife and division within the body and should go soak their heads.

God created it so He is in control of it... that was the intended message.

and not only what Shagy said - but the age of the Earth has nothing to do with our salvation.
That is what is most important.

 

[annsni]

and not only what Shagy said - but the age of the Earth has nothing to do with our salvation.
That is what is most important.

Actually, I think it kind of does when you consider that the Bible tells us that sin entered the world through one man and death through sin. How does that square with an old earth/evolution?

 

[Salty]

Actually, I think it kind of does when you consider that the Bible tells us that sin entered the world through one man and death through sin. How does that square with an old earth/evolution?

When creation happened has nothing to do with salvation! As Sin did not enter the world until man was created - (well actually when women sinned - oh that's another thread)

I support the possibility of the "Gap" theory - the Earth could have been created long before Man was.

 

[quantumfaith]

and not only what Shagy said - but the age of the Earth has nothing to do with our salvation.
That is what is most important.

And the vast amount of what is argued about here in BB would also fall into that very same category.