Old Regular Baptist (revised)

[Bethelassoc]

I received a minute book from SGA and it states that correspondence is with Thornton Union, Sandlick, and Bethel. I may have left out another association (I don't have the book in front of me).

It also states Green River Primitive Baptist church. Bro Slone, is this a church in correspondence with the association? I also assume that Little Polly is an ORB in correspondence with SGA?

 

[old regular]

Dear Bethelassoc,
The Green River Primitive Baptist Church was a former member of the Powell Valley PB association then latter became an independent PB church,there was some divison I was told over secret order.The chuch met and got along fairly well then there was an accident perhaps, with a firearm in which the moderator killed himself.The church had no ordained minister and some of the members joined other PB churches.The last members of the church gave the building and records over to the SGA because they felt we practiced closer to them than anyone else around and had the same faith and order.We hold services there on the 3rd Sunday @ 10:30 a.m.We haven't organized a church there as of yet and the last members are not able to attend now do to age distance etc.. .We also correspond with the Mountain Liberty, and Mountain Valley.We have been preaching with several more associations of Primitive Baptist but have never sent a letter of correspondence,not because of any doctrinal issue the distance mainly hinders us and we are a very small group.The Little Polly ORB left the NNS ORB and is an independent body.They maintain a working relationship with us but are not a member church this is not permitted by the New Salem Correspondence but we have no problems with independent churches.and feel associations are products of the churches not the other way around.
The New Salem Assoc. did carry the name United Baptist for a short period of time that association came from Regular and Seperate Baptist that had merged.The Mud River came from a divison in a Paticular Baptist Assoc.Also the Freindship assoc. churches came from Regular/Paticular Baptist.The New Hope and SGA did not correspond because of several issues one being who is the legal side of the New Hope two they were opposed to Primitive Baptist in general thinking that all of them held to absolute predestination.They didn't like Thorton Unions lack of order on hair and were opposed to the Old Regular Baptist not having absolute positive knowledge that means beyond any doubt in nature as well as the spirt that they were going to heaven,as you may know ORB profess a hope.There are now two New Hope Associations and the gap between them is getting wider.I have not visted them lately. They practice however closer to ORB than United Baptist.I have found good orthodox brethen among ORB,UB,and the PB that often believe and teach the same things but use different ways of explaining it.Our next Association Sovereign Grace will start at the Blessed Hope Church of Jesus Christ of Old Regular Baptist on Friday the 16th of July @1pm Est/12p.m Cst. This church is in Adair County Ky near the Casey Co. line in a village called Pellyton,).Liberty KY is the closest City.You all are invited to come. We the SGA oganized a new church near Salyersville ,Ky last weekend it was named Mt.Moriah Church of Jesus Christ of ORB faith and order it meets on the 4th Sunday. Brother Slone

[ June 22, 2004, 10:52 PM: Message edited by: old regular ]

 

[DrewH]

1.) I'm checking on Cane Valley for you Bro. Dallas.

2.) I agree that the difference in PB, MB and UB is history - and theology - some type of combination. My take on this is part of my book on the Barren River Association.

3.) Footwashing is found in the 13th Chapter of St. John and as Christ did, so must we do. And paraphrasing the word, Happy are we for doing so. I have washed feet. It makes a special bond and love between brethren. Footwashing or not footwashing does not make you a better Christian - it is a test of humility.

 

[old regular]

Dear Bethel Assoc.
The Church your family belonged to was and is in the New Salem .The Philadelphia Church is @ Hippo, Floyd Co. Ky.We always referred to it as the Brush Creek Church(its on Brush Creek).The Little Martha is/was in the New Salem and is located near Royalton,Ky.Union Assoc. also has two Churches by those names.My mother was a Stephens from Stephens Branch/ and lived near these Churches in Hueysville,KY her aunt Anne Shepherd was a member of Little Martha and her neighbor was the moderator @ Philadelphia. Thought you might be interested Bro.Slone P.S I was looking @ one of your earlier posts.

 

[Frogman]

Dear Brother Drew,
Thank you for your research in this and the list you have of the Barren River Assoc.

Dear OldRegular, the next meeting held in Pellyton please let me know, if the Lord is willing I would like to visit. I was raised in Cane Valley and roamed the hills of knifley some.

God Bless
Bro. Dallas

 

[Bethelassoc]

Bro Slone:

Thanks for that information. I could read it all day! I'm glad to hear about the new church. I know that there are still those out there that are looking for the old time way.

I have family that still lives around Royalton area. Maybe someday, I'll be able to visit Mt. Moriah. Even though there are "formalities" that have been placed on church names, I believe I would feel at home in any of the old time baptist churches.

and feel associations are products of the churches not the other way around.

Amen. It's amazing how much people forget that the association is an advisory and not in charge of the churches.

 

[old regular]

Dear Frogman,
The next regular meeting of the Blessed Hope Church will be the Second Sunday in July( the 11th)@ 9:30 cst.I however Lord's will,I, will be in Flordia this date, the next Fri/Sat/Sun is the SGA meeting this will be the 16th/17th/18th of July,starting @12pm on Fri,Sat(9:30)Sun(9:30)there will also be afternoon and evening services on Sat.Blessed Hope also meets every Sunday Night at6p.m cst it is on Spruce Pine Rd before you get to Sanders Ridge make a right on first road to your right after you turn on Moxely Rd from 206 by the little store(Moxely has a road number when coming from the Adair Co side its the same road that Hughes Apple Orchard use to be on.This Church meets every 2nd Sunday that follows a Sat every month at (9:30 a.m)We Would love to have you!My Number is 606-787-0144 I live near Clementsville, Ky.I have a good friend who lives in Cane Valley Robert Ellis he loves the doctrines of Grace and sometimes vists Blessed Hope. Your Brother in Hope
M.Slone

 

[DrewH]

Hey - not having all the minutes to the Green River Association, I cannot determine for sure when Cane Valley was a part, but I know that it is not currently.

 

[rlvaughn]

Bro. Dallas, I apologize; I've been "asleep at the wheel". I have an off and on collection of Green River minutes back to 1962. I looked and Cane Valley Baptist Church is never mentioned that far back (but I do have missing years). Hope this helps.

 

[DrewH]

Hi - anyone who wants a complete set of Barren River Association minutes and a narrative of its 170+ history go to www.barrenriverassociation.org and email me if you're interested.

 

[Bethelassoc]

Getting back to ORB, I was fortunate to talk to a man whose father was a minister in the Thornton Union Assoc. He said that he's obtained his father's minute books and has cassette tapes of services.

I'm gonna try to keep in touch with him through a friend of mine.

 

[OldBethAssn]

Hello Bro's... I agree that historically that the lack of ministers was a primary cause of the one Sunday per month meeting, but it appears that in recent years the lack of a congregation at each church seems to play a role in the rotation of service in my area. The churches need to take the congregation with them to each local to have a larger congregation.

 

[Bethelassoc]

OldBethAssn:

It's good to have you on here.

I also believe that today the once a month services are based on the lack of congregation. Also some preachers pastor more than one church due to lack of ministers.

Are there any ORBs that meet on a weekly basis? I'm trying to remember if some of the churches do back in Indiana.

 

[John N C]

I enjoyed reading all the messages concerning the Old Regural, Regural Primitive, Primitive and United Baptist. Really enjoyed the ones concerning Mates Creek, Sand Lick and Burning Springs Associations as I have attended all of the assocations in years past. I have not been able to attend any of these assocations in the last several years and reading anything recent concerning them is a pleasure. However, there is another assocation that I did not see mention. It is The Rock Spring Assocation consisting mostly of Churches at that time in Rowan, Carter, and Elliott Counties Kentucky. It was organized from the Burning Springs Association at Old Tar Kil Church in Carter County, Kentucky.
Not sure of the year of organization, but I think it was around 1856.

John

 

[Bethelassoc]

John N C:

Thanks for posting. I'm glad that you shared your input with us. I would like to know more about this association, Rock Spring. This is the first I've heard of it and now have more reason to get back into ORB research. Thanks!

David

 

[Bethelassoc]

John N C:

When you get the chance, tell us about your background with the ORBs, please.

I enjoy this forum for its opportunities for learning.

 

[John N C]

Brother David and everyone else:
I was born October 1951, in Cranston, Rowan County, Kentucky about 9 miles or so from Morehead, Kentucky and about 60 miles east of Lexington, Kentucky. I joined the Little Perry Regural Primitive Church east of Morehead, Kentucky in January 1966 and was baptise on 12 February 1967.
Mom was a member of the Regural Primitive Baptist Church at New Burlington, Ohio, later moved her membership to New Hope Regural Primitive Baptist Church at Cranston, Kentucky. Dad always attended but never belonged, mostly at New Hope.
Attended most of the Burning Springs Assocations from the time that I can remember to about 1965, when there was a problem in some of the churches and the different assocations.
Still attended some.
Attended Rock Springs Assocation from the time I can remember until I let Kentucky to work in other places, except for the time I was in the military and then I was sometimes able to be able to attend at least part of the assocation.
Attended a couple of Iron Hill Assocation of United Baptists and several different annual meetings of either churches or assocations.
Anyone wanting to know more about me, feel free to send me an e-mail at kansaskidmky@earthlink.net and I will try and answer as best I can.

 

[rlvaughn]

Dear Brother John N C - welcome to the Baptist Board. Thanks for the input on Old Regular Baptists. We look forward to hearing more from you.

 

[John N C]

Things are beginning to get back somewhat to normal. Was out of electric for 36 hours, but a lot of people still out. No really bad flooding near me and not any really bad wind damage although we were missably because of the wind for about 24 hours.
Thank God that he spared us from any more damage.

John

 

[old regular]

Dear Brother John,
Does the Rock Springs Association still exist?I
know the Ironhill still does,and the Little Ironhill Churches went into one side of the New Hope United Baptist.Ironhill split years ago over the McCoy Doctrine no church till Pentecost.Where in Flordia is Cyrstal River, we have a corresponding church in Flordia a member of the Bethel Association of Old Regular Baptist. Bro Mike