Old Regular Baptist (revised)

[old regular]

Indian Bottom

Bro. Mike,

Your association has every right to do what y'all feel is right. I do not believe in infringing on your rights as a functioning body. I just don't get the "seperating out" when someone from a church/association not in their correspondence comes there, especially whenever it involves a funeral. Funerals are hurtful enough, and whenever someone has to close out their portion of the service with prayer, so that the other church/association can take over, would be confusing to many there, and maybe even hinder those who are lost. The IB does not seperate whenever, say a FWB preacher is called in the funeral, but the others, Old IB, Sardis, New Salem, NNS, Old Friendship, and Union do seperate whenever another non-corresponding preacher(s) is there at the funeral.

The IB also doesn't take members in by recommendation unless they were from an ORB assoc that they were in correspondence with at one time, either. When I left Salem in Sardis, and went to Little Jewell in IB, I went via recommendation because IB and Sardis at one time had been in correspondence with each other. Now, as for me, if someone required me to be re-baptized to take membership in their church/assoc, I'd just tell them to forget about it. I answered that on June 10,2007, when I was baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, and do not have to answer that again. To ask anyone else to do that just for membership is redundant. But, being an ORB, I guess I am in the minority concerning this. Like I stated, each church/assoc has every right to do things they way they feel led....I will not infringe on their rights.

i am I AM's!!

Willis

Brother Willis , the Indian Bottom allows their ministers to preach with any order in a funeral but they are not allowed to preach with any other Old Regular Baptist ,not in their correspondence at any other time.So if they are at a funeral on Saturday they may preach with the Holiness but come Sunday they can't preach with the Union Assn brothers.I find that to be a double standard God is not the author of confusion,I have been in funerals with a Church of Christ minister preaching water baptism for eternal salvation. I was thankful that I could conduct my own service seprate from his.I have never had a problem with a family ,after explaining our rules, neither did I allow myself to be lumped with a water Salvation minister for the sake of not hurting some ones feelings. Brother Mike

 

[old regular]

Missionary Baptist

Bro Mike,

I really do hate to hear of any church/assoc closing their doors. Its a sad day when that happens. Aren't there some missionary baptist churches that y'all have a working relationship with? If I am not mistaken, some of the Missionary Baptists have a harder "shell" than others, if I am thinking right. One thing about it, if something happened and I could no longer find an ORB church to go to, I'd go to the PB's. Though I do not agree with their take on predestination, I find that they are more solid on the other parts of doctrine than about any other denomination I know of. Plus, the ones around here line their songs like the ORBs, and I do enjoy that very much!!

Brother Willis, we have never had a working relationship with any Missionary Baptist Churches, we do have some visit our churches from time to time, and yes some Missionary Baptist would hold to the doctrine of the Philadelphia Association of Regular Baptist stronger than many Old Regular Baptist, but they have picked up practices that Old School Baptist do not hold to.We would have to Baptize these Brothers before receiving them in our Old School Baptist Churches.Brother Willis (you don't need to answer publicly)What do you believe is the Primitive Baptist doctrine on Predestination?? I have heard some of the New School Regulars answers before and found it to be totally false also there are more than one faction of Primitive Baptist you are a member of a more fullerite/arminus faction, Old Regular's are a primtivist sect. Elder Slone

 

[convicted1]

Brother Willis , the Indian Bottom allows their ministers to preach with any order in a funeral but they are not allowed to preach with any other Old Regular Baptist ,not in their correspondence at any other time.So if they are at a funeral on Saturday they may preach with the Holiness but come Sunday they can't preach with the Union Assn brothers.I find that to be a double standard God is not the author of confusion,I have been in funerals with a Church of Christ minister preaching water baptism for eternal salvation. I was thankful that I could conduct my own service seprate from his.I have never had a problem with a family ,after explaining our rules, neither did I allow myself to be lumped with a water Salvation minister for the sake of not hurting some ones feelings. Brother Mike

Bro. Mike, I agree with you 100% about the "double standard" comment. I have argued this for a while. I have no problem going anywhere the Lord casts my lot to preach and/or worship. If we can't get along down here, and worship together down here, then how can we worship up in heaven? Like I stated in another post, that saturday meeting in July 2007, when I came to the Tarklin church during the SGA assoc. meeting, I REALLY enjoyed myself!! I thought Bro. Bob Fields preached about a good a sermon as I have ever heard. When he stated, "When God turns someone, they're turned", Bro. Reggie and I about came out of our seats!! BTW, how are Bro. Reggie and Bro. Pete doing? I sure miss them, even though I only met them once. They seem like such good Brothers in the Lord. I also remember you getting up and singing "The Third Man", and when I hear that, I feel like "taking off"! Its amazing that a Saviour so great, would save such an unworthy sinner such as I was. But by His Grace, I am what I am....and I am glad, too!! :thumbs:

As far as the Union assoc. goes, I would not have one problem putting them in the stand, if I were moderator of a church. But, they could get in trouble with the "higher ups", and I do not want to cause any trouble within any association. BTW, how did the SGA go? I pray that y'all shouted until you couldn't talk! I love you, Bro. Mike.

i am I AM's!!

Willis

 

[convicted1]

Brother Willis, we have never had a working relationship with any Missionary Baptist Churches, we do have some visit our churches from time to time, and yes some Missionary Baptist would hold to the doctrine of the Philadelphia Association of Regular Baptist stronger than many Old Regular Baptist, but they have picked up practices that Old School Baptist do not hold to.We would have to Baptize these Brothers before receiving them in our Old School Baptist Churches.Brother Willis (you don't need to answer publicly)What do you believe is the Primitive Baptist doctrine on Predestination?? I have heard some of the New School Regulars answers before and found it to be totally false also there are more than one faction of Primitive Baptist you are a member of a more fullerite/arminus faction, Old Regular's are a primtivist sect. Elder Slone

PB doctrine concerning predestination? Hmmmm.......well lemme see. If what I have gleaned from what I have read, its a little bit different than the Calvinist model, am I correct? God, from eternity past, chose a people that He would save from their sins. These "Elect", will be saved, and with, or without the help of the preaching of the gospel.

Here is an excerpt from this webpage:http://www.olpbc.com/Library/pb_believe.htm

What is their position on predestination?

Answer: They believe that God has predestinated a great number to be conformed to the image of His Son (Rom.8: 28-30) .While some object to this doctrine because they say it is unfajr, Primitive Baptists rejoice in it, for they see that had it not been for predestination, the whole human family would have been lost forever. Predestination is not the thing that condemns a man, or puts him in a ruined condition, but the very thing that gets him out of such a state. Predestination concerns not "what" but "whom." It is the great purpose of God to lift a people up from sin and corruption and make them like Jesus Christ. That's glorious !


Do Primitive Baptists preach infants in Hell ?

Answer: No, the doctrine preached by Primitive Baptists is the only message which leaves any hope for infants, the feeble-minded, and the heathen, most religious groups preach that one must hear and understand the gospel, actively obey the gospel, and manifestly believe on Christ, in order to become a child of God. But the great message of grace which is so firmly believed and preached by Old Baptists, declares that one may be a recipient of the mercy of God without hearing the report of it through the gospel and even without fully understanding what has taken place in his heart. If infants, the feeble minded, and the heathen must hear the gospel preached by man and actively repent and believe the truth, then there is no hope for them. But since salvation is by the sovereign grace of God through the work of His Son, we know that He will save His own regardless of their circumstances in life (Rom. 8 :34-39; Rom. 11 :28; II Tim. 2 :13, 16-19) .

I am thinking that the "mainstream" Calvinist, would not go along with this....(that which I bolded and highlighted), Bro. Mike, but I could be wrong. This is what I have gleaned from their(PBs) doctrine concerning predestination. Like I stated, I could be, and might be wrong though........

i am I AM's!!

Willis

 

[old regular]

Old Line Primitive's on Predestination

PB doctrine concerning predestination? Hmmmm.......well lemme see. If what I have gleaned from what I have read, its a little bit different than the Calvinist model, am I correct? God, from eternity past, chose a people that He would save from their sins. These "Elect", will be saved, and with, or without the help of the preaching of the gospel.

Here is an excerpt from this webpage:http://www.olpbc.com/Library/pb_believe.htm



I am thinking that the "mainstream" Calvinist, would not go along with this....(that which I bolded and highlighted), Bro. Mike, but I could be wrong. This is what I have gleaned from their(PBs) doctrine concerning predestination. Like I stated, I could be, and might be wrong though........

i am I AM's!!

Willis

Your answer was correct ,that is the old line position.We had a wonderful associational meeting, would have loved for you to have been there!! The term Calvinist means different things to different people, if you believe in free grace then you are often considered a Calvinist , so a broad interpretation of the term would take in many christians a more narrow view would not.The Old School Baptist consider their doctrines older than Calvin, and many but not all reject the term.The absolute Predestination of all things Primitive or Regular Baptist would come closer to being pure or high Calvinist . Elder Slone

 

[convicted1]

Your answer was correct ,that is the old line position.We had a wonderful associational meeting, would have loved for you to have been there!! The term Calvinist means different things to different people, if you believe in free grace then you are often considered a Calvinist , so a broad interpretation of the term would take in many christians a more narrow view would not.The Old School Baptist consider their doctrines older than Calvin, and many but not all reject the term.The absolute Predestination of all things Primitive or Regular Baptist would come closer to being pure or high Calvinist . Elder Slone

First off, I am thankful that God blessed y'all with a wonderful association this year!! :thumbsup:

You know, Bro. Mike, the old line position concerning predestination is the only true monergistic(sp?) position going.

So, does the SGA hold to "absolute predestination"? This is what brought about the Sardis Assoc., that split from Mates Creek in 1893. I have heard that the Sardis Assoc. was an illegitimate assoc, meaning that it was formed without an arm from another assoc. After it was already formed, it went into NS, and got its arm. I can not deny or confirm this. I had heard this through the grapevine. Have you ever heard of this?

 

[convicted1]

The Indian Bottom Association of Old Regular Baptists will have their annual Association meetings Sept. 2-4, 2011. All are welcomed to attend. The first two days, we will have business in one area, and preaching in another area for those who are not delegates. Friday afternoon, we have a "Committee on Arrangements" meeting, where we have a couple preachers, followed by arranging the next day's business. Sunday is for worship only, no business that day. Again, all are welcomed to attend.

 

[old regular]

absolute predestination of all things man's evil included

First off, I am thankful that God blessed y'all with a wonderful association this year!! :thumbsup:

You know, Bro. Mike, the old line position concerning predestination is the only true monergistic(sp?) position going.

So, does the SGA hold to "absolute predestination"? This is what brought about the Sardis Assoc., that split from Mates Creek in 1893. I have heard that the Sardis Assoc. was an illegitimate assoc, meaning that it was formed without an arm from another assoc. After it was already formed, it went into NS, and got its arm. I can not deny or confirm this. I had heard this through the grapevine. Have you ever heard of this?

We are not alone in believing that salvation is totally of God by him and through him, many great ministers in different orders believe this truth, We should always magnify the Giver of the gift more than the gift.We have never advocated absolute predestination doctrine, that makes God the author of human wickedness.Associations are the product of churches any group of legally organized churches can and have formed such bodies, most with an arm but not all as in the case of Sardis and Indian Bottom, Bethel, I can not find where New Salem armed off Sardis but I have found where they armed off Mates Creek, by the way Mates Creek no longer advocates the doctrine that was at the heart of that split , you most likely know that. but some of our readers of these post may not Love and Prayers bro.mike

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

We are not alone in believing that salvation is totally of God by him and through him, many great ministers in different orders believe this truth, We should always magnify the Giver of the gift more than the gift.We have never advocated absolute predestination doctrine, that makes God the author of human wickedness.Associations are the product of churches any group of legally organized churches can and have formed such bodies, most with an arm but not all as in the case of Sardis and Indian Bottom, Bethel, I can not find where New Salem armed off Sardis but I have found where they armed off Mates Creek, by the way Mates Creek no longer advocates the doctrine that was at the heart of that split , you most likely know that. but some of our readers of these post may not Love and Prayers bro.mike

Im PB & our clergy does not draw a salary....Im assuming yours doesnt either. Think you also said that youd be interested in supporting a church in Jersey, correct?

 

[convicted1]

We are not alone in believing that salvation is totally of God by him and through him, many great ministers in different orders believe this truth, We should always magnify the Giver of the gift more than the gift.We have never advocated absolute predestination doctrine, that makes God the author of human wickedness.Associations are the product of churches any group of legally organized churches can and have formed such bodies, most with an arm but not all as in the case of Sardis and Indian Bottom, Bethel, I can not find where New Salem armed off Sardis but I have found where they armed off Mates Creek, by the way Mates Creek no longer advocates the doctrine that was at the heart of that split , you most likely know that. but some of our readers of these post may not Love and Prayers bro.mike

Bro. Mike,

I did not know if Mates Creek held to that doctrine now, but a while back, I spoke with a Sister that belongs at a PB church in Richardson, Ky., about 15-20 outside of Louisa. When I asked her about predestination, she said that her church didn't believe it. Now, she may have thought I was referring to the "absoluters", but I am not for sure. I think that this church is in Mates Creek Assoc.

As for Sardis, I was told that those churches went into New Salem, after they were already formed, and then, New Salem gave them their arm. Now, this is second-hand knowledge, so I do not know all the details.

And, finally, I am in complete agreement with you that salvation is of, by, through, and given by the Lord. :thumbsup: I am now leaning towards repentance being a gift of God, whereas before, I thought that the Godly sorrow led us to repentance, where we repented. But I am not totally there yet, but I am leaning that way.

i am I AM's!!

Willis

 

[convicted1]

Im PB & our clergy does not draw a salary....Im assuming yours doesnt either. Think you also said that youd be interested in supporting a church in Jersey, correct?

Bro. EW&F, I know this wasn't directed to me, but please let me answer. As far as I know, no ORB minister(either hard shell or soft shell), receives a salary. I would venture to guess that none of them do. Old Friendship, Union, New Salem, Northern New Salem, Philadelphia, Old Indian Bottom, and Sardis, all correspond with each other, and none of the ministers in these assocs. receive a salary. Bro. Mike can tell you about Bethel, Original Mountain Liberty, and Sovereign Grace, but I am quite sure they are the same.

 

[convicted1]

Bro. Mike,

What, if anything, can you tell me about the Friendship Association of ORBs. Bro. Keith Deel sent me a minute from, I think, 2003. Are they still functioning as an assoc? Where is the closest one for me, being in the eastern part of Wva??

 

[Old Union Brother]

Bro. Mike,

What, if anything, can you tell me about the Friendship Association of ORBs. Bro. Keith Deel sent me a minute from, I think, 2003. Are they still functioning as an assoc? Where is the closest one for me, being in the eastern part of Wva??

Hi Brother Willis

Yes they are still an association. I believe that their association is at the MaryLou Church on state line ridge.

There is a church on panther creek and several more close to there I'll have to look at my minute to tell you more PM me if you want me to send you a scanned copy of the churches addresses.

peace and prayers

 

[old regular]

Repentance a Gift

Bro. Mike,

I did not know if Mates Creek held to that doctrine now, but a while back, I spoke with a Sister that belongs at a PB church in Richardson, Ky., about 15-20 outside of Louisa. When I asked her about predestination, she said that her church didn't believe it. Now, she may have thought I was referring to the "absoluters", but I am not for sure. I think that this church is in Mates Creek Assoc.

As for Sardis, I was told that those churches went into New Salem, after they were already formed, and then, New Salem gave them their arm. Now, this is second-hand knowledge, so I do not know all the details.

And, finally, I am in complete agreement with you that salvation is of, by, through, and given by the Lord. :thumbsup: I am now leaning towards repentance being a gift of God, whereas before, I thought that the Godly sorrow led us to repentance, where we repented. But I am not totally there yet, but I am leaning that way.

i am I AM's!!

Willis

Brother Willis , Faith and Repentance are both gifts, Acts 5:31" Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour ,for to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins." note it is a Godly sorrow so that sorrow was wrought not by the creature, 2 Timothy 2:25"... if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;"

 

[old regular]

No Salary

Im PB & our clergy does not draw a salary....Im assuming yours doesnt either. Think you also said that youd be interested in supporting a church in Jersey, correct?

In our correspondence (Old School Regular-Old Line Primitive) No one draws a salary, There are however Primitive Baptist Ministers that do. I would not be opposed in helping to organize a church in New Jersey if it was able to function in a orderly manner. I living in Ky could not serve a church at that distance, but would have no problem visiting some, and work on getting them correspondence with other old line brothers. Bro.Mike

 

[old regular]

Friendship Association

Bro. Mike,

What, if anything, can you tell me about the Friendship Association of ORBs. Bro. Keith Deel sent me a minute from, I think, 2003. Are they still functioning as an assoc? Where is the closest one for me, being in the eastern part of Wva??

Brother Willis there are two Friendship Associations one in correspondence with Thoton Union and one in the New Salem chain, they split over notebook songbooks and sisters cutting their hair, they have a mixed Calvinistic-Arminian hybird doctrine ,some of them would preach old-line some not, they are still meeting and have large crowds. at their association Bro.Mike

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

In our correspondence (Old School Regular-Old Line Primitive) No one draws a salary, There are however Primitive Baptist Ministers that do. I would not be opposed in helping to organize a church in New Jersey if it was able to function in a orderly manner. I living in Ky could not serve a church at that distance, but would have no problem visiting some, and work on getting them correspondence with other old line brothers. Bro.Mike

On second thought Mike I can pull these guys into a struggling Reformed Baptist Church that already has a pastor but needs to bolster an aging population of congregants. Granted it will not operate the way I would prefer (as a PB / Old School) but there is margin to developing them...perhaps even to taking them independent. Will have to pray about it.

 

[old regular]

Primitive Baptist In New Jersey

On second thought Mike I can pull these guys into a struggling Reformed Baptist Church that already has a pastor but needs to bolster an aging population of congregants. Granted it will not operate the way I would prefer (as a PB / Old School) but there is margin to developing them...perhaps even to taking them independent. Will have to pray about it.

You could start having called meetings invite some Primitive Baptist ministers to it, there may be an Elder or Elders who could attend at least once a month. I might try the FGF to see if they know any sound Elders in that area that might have an interest. I would love to see Old School Baptist Churches in every part of the U.S God willing. Have you ever visited the Northeastern Association in NJ ? They have a church in Brooklyn last I heard. I don't know what part of New Jersey you are located. I was stationed at NWS Earle years ago. Elder Slone

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You could start having called meetings invite some Primitive Baptist ministers to it, there may be an Elder or Elders who could attend at least once a month. I might try the FGF to see if they know any sound Elders in that area that might have an interest. I would love to see Old School Baptist Churches in every part of the U.S God willing. Have you ever visited the Northeastern Association in NJ ? They have a church in Brooklyn last I heard. I don't know what part of New Jersey you are located. I was stationed at NWS Earle years ago. Elder Slone

Navy huh.....the kind that lobbed shells over my head when I was an active Marine? So you think Brooklyn is part of NJ? LOL.

As I said before, the Reformed guy has got it under raps & he is ordained. Thanks for the effort though.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[old regular]

Navy huh.....the kind that lobbed shells over my head when I was an active Marine? So you think Brooklyn is part of NJ? LOL.

As I said before, the Reformed guy has got it under raps & he is ordained. Thanks for the effort though.:smilewinkgrin:

I heard that NY City had the world's largest Zoo they fenced in New Jersey, LOL:laugh: The Northeastern has churches in both NJ and New York. I was also FMF 8404 HM2 I was with 1/4 grunts and 5/11 artillery , so I know about those shells , over the head, been there.I hope things work out for you, I don't know much about the Reformed Baptist. I am partial to Old School Baptist. Elder Slone