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Omniscience
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Has God always known all there is to know about everything?
Yes!
Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Yes!
Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
God has foreknowledge .. but that does not mean predestine. To for-know does not mean to pre-ordain. Now that brings up another question and that is about time. Can God see beyond the current moment? The future has not occurred yet, so that time has not existed yet. Another way to say this is that time does not exist until an event is happening r has occurred.
I am not saying I do or do not believe the above statement. It is a statement to spark discussion on a deeper level ... IMHO.
I am not sure of the intent of the question in the OP.
I am not saying I do or do not believe the above statement. It is a statement to spark discussion on a deeper level ... IMHO.
I am not sure of the intent of the question in the OP.
I believe that is the question. Does God know all things including future events that haven't happened yet? I say yes. He doesn't learn. He has always known.
Lol—sounds a lot like Mr Pinnock to me---but since its just for the sake of discussion----Since God is not bound by time, this would not impact His knowledge. While He does act within time, time itself does not limit God’s all knowing ability. Does this mean that God predetermined that I’d eat cheerios today? I guess its possible from a certain point of view (notice I didn’t answer that with a resounding ‘yes’)---but one thing is for certain—it did not take Him by surprise—b/c nothing does!
Very simple answer does God know the future, let me see, Daniel, Ezekial and Revelation say He does.
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Predestining future events and Knowing all the future of all eternity is not the same, nor does one require the other.
Did God not know that the earthquake in Japan would occur? (Of course not!) From eternity's perspective God has always known that in 2011 Japan would suffer a tragic event. Did that mean that He specifically caused it? I think that's where Luke is going with this? And, if so, once again, he and I are going to disagree.
I see you voted no, so what events do you think God doesn't know about yet? Or does He know today but in the past didn't know.
Of course all Calvinists believe God in eternity knew everything imaginable. Some say God did not know what He would decree before He decreed it, but others, claiming a detailed knowledge of both the workings of God's mind and the absence of sequence in eternity, say God knew and therefore could not decide to decree anything other than what His foreknowledge predestined.
Naturally God causes everything, exhaustive determinism, because foreknowledge presupposes fore ordination.
What Calvinism cannot deal with is that their view of Omniscience makes God into a Monster, causing people to sin because the sin is foreknown and therefore foreordained, and then punishing the person for doing what God compelled them by predestination to do.
They have no answer, they just say "we do not believe that" and "that is a false choice" and other feeble attempts to hold two mutually exclusive views at the same time. Calvinism's dirty little secret is that is is a logical impossibility. So they hide the problem with mumbo jumbo, such as people choosing to do what God has foreordained they do still makes them responsible.
Naturally God causes everything, exhaustive determinism, because foreknowledge presupposes fore ordination.
What Calvinism cannot deal with is that their view of Omniscience makes God into a Monster, causing people to sin because the sin is foreknown and therefore foreordained, and then punishing the person for doing what God compelled them by predestination to do.
They have no answer, they just say "we do not believe that" and "that is a false choice" and other feeble attempts to hold two mutually exclusive views at the same time. Calvinism's dirty little secret is that is is a logical impossibility. So they hide the problem with mumbo jumbo, such as people choosing to do what God has foreordained they do still makes them responsible.
If God has the hairs on our head numbered then I would say He knows everything that will happen. That doesn't mean He caused it but He did allow it to happen. Why do these things happen because man fell in the garden and because of the sin in Noah's day. With the flood came all the faults and shifting in the earth.
Matthew 10: 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows
We are not to fear what will happen but live knowing God is with us through it all. We are to be witness to the world for Him. Acts 1: 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Matthew 10: 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows
We are not to fear what will happen but live knowing God is with us through it all. We are to be witness to the world for Him. Acts 1: 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
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Wow—there was a ‘NO!’---I gotta hear the reasoning & biblical support behind this proposal! Maybe he’s intending the ‘no’ to mean---no in the sense that God’s omniscience doesn’t equate Him predestining the event—which is assumed by some to be the intent of the OP---regardless I’m interested to see his explanation!
I believe in the Bible rather than the traditions of men, so I believe God is Omniscient, with Omniscience being defined as God knows everything He has chosen to know, which is consistent with all scripture, contextually considered. Calvinisms view is simply unbiblical.
This may be nothing more than choice of words but if you meant that God allow things to happen. Does that include sin.
You see I don't believe God allows sin. If He did the allowance would be with out consequince to those who comit sin. I believe that while it may seem to be that God does allow it to happen. We are mistaking His patience to ward us as an allowance to sin.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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