On Evolution...

[KeyserSoze]

Actually evolution is losing ground more and more everyday. Yes there are some staunch holders out but there are also people who believe in the mythical man made global warming.

The only place you'll hear someone say "evolution is losing ground" is on a creationist website.
There are NONE, as in ZERO, ZIP, NADA,, ZILCH, etc Science organizations, journals or PhD Universities that deal in life sciences that doubt the validity of evolution.

 

[KeyserSoze]

No no, the Bible is true all of it. It also has been verified and continues to be verified.

I hate to break this to ya, but no geology organization in existence accepts a young earth.. They have "verified" a very old earth.

So you are now left with 2 choices.. Either YOUR interpretation of scripture in incorrect, or the Bible has been proven wrong..
So which is it..?

 

[BenWest]

The reason we accept evolution isn't because "some guy said so". Its because almost 2 centuries of tests and observations DEMONSTRATE that its true.

By the same reasoning, evolutionists ignore God's Truth in Genesis and refer to it a myth, religion and teach our children that they are nothing but evolved Apes. The ToE is provably false:

Scripturally...since Humans were made long BEFORE any other living creature. Genesis 2:4-7
Scientifically...since Scientists cannot explain HOW the superior intelligence of God got into Apes. Genesis 3:22
Historically..since the FIRST evidence of the arrival of Humans (descendants of Adam) was 11,000 years ago, according to History. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
Genetically...since the chromosome 2 fusion shows that Humans were made long BEFORE prehistoric people.(sons of God) This is opposite of the false teaching of Evolution.
Mathematically..since each of God's Days/Ages is some 4.5 billion years in man's time. Science doesn't know that today remains the 6th Day in the creation of the perfect Heaven.

Can you refute these facts which agree with every discovered Truth of mankind?

 

[Yeshua1]

...or you simply don’t understand and are misinterpreting what he said.

Rob

Like the ones who have Myth in Genesis, and want to have billion year long days? And who refuse to accept that God made everything after its own kind?

 

[Revmitchell]

I always get amused when i see a creationist linking religious websites like ICR while having a discussion about science.
You do realize that ICR is NOT a science organization.?
They are in fact a fundamentalist religious web page.

Here's a helpful hint for you.. When attempting to discuss SCIENCE, it would serve you well to actually use a SCIENTIFIC resource.
This leads us to a very simple question...?
"Why are you using fundamentalist religious websites on scientific matters"..?
Could it be that no actual science organization will give you the answers that you want to hear..?

Another logical fallacy post

 

[Revmitchell]

And here again, more drivel from ICR..

Dr Francis Collins ran the human genome project for the US Government and he is also a DEVOUT Evangelical Christian.
He runs a website specifically designed for ill informed creationists like yourself who routinely go to unethical cites like ICR.
If you wish to cling to fundamentalism and simply look for confirmation bias, then i suggest you stay with ICR (just dont expect to learn anything) .
But if you are serious about learning what actual science shows, then you might try Collin's "biologos" website.
It will at least give you real data while still maintaining a Christian perspective.

Yet another adhominem logical fallacy post

 

[Yeshua1]

I hate to break this to ya, but no geology organization in existence accepts a young earth.. They have "verified" a very old earth.

So you are now left with 2 choices.. Either YOUR interpretation of scripture in incorrect, or the Bible has been proven wrong..
So which is it..?

Option 3, evolutionists in order to hold unto their manmade fable that discredits God, have to accept their "conclusions" despite obvious faults in them!

 

[Yeshua1]

By the same reasoning, evolutionists ignore God's Truth in Genesis and refer to it a myth, religion and teach our children that they are nothing but evolved Apes. The ToE is provably false:

Scripturally...since Humans were made long BEFORE any other living creature. Genesis 2:4-7
Scientifically...since Scientists cannot explain HOW the superior intelligence of God got into Apes. Genesis 3:22
Historically..since the FIRST evidence of the arrival of Humans (descendants of Adam) was 11,000 years ago, according to History. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
Genetically...since the chromosome 2 fusion shows that Humans were made long BEFORE prehistoric people.(sons of God) This is opposite of the false teaching of Evolution.
Mathematically..since each of God's Days/Ages is some 4.5 billion years in man's time. Science doesn't know that today remains the 6th Day in the creation of the perfect Heaven.

Can you refute these facts which agree with every discovered Truth of mankind?

How did humans arrive here. unless we were special creations of God?

 

[Revmitchell]

I hate to break this to ya, but no geology organization in existence accepts a young earth.. They have "verified" a very old earth.

So you are now left with 2 choices.. Either YOUR interpretation of scripture in incorrect, or the Bible has been proven wrong..
So which is it..?

No no there are more choices no need for your black and white fallacy

 

[KeyserSoze]

By the same reasoning, evolutionists ignore God's Truth in Genesis and refer to it a myth, religion and teach our children that they are nothing but evolved Apes. The ToE is provably false:

You do realize that evolution is a scientific explanation of the natural world..?
As a rule, it is required to dismiss ALL "appeals to textual authority" (Christian or otherwise)
Genesis is a religious text that is "interpreted" by those who believe in it. (and those interpretations vary by denomination)
as such, The ToE is not going to base its findings on YOUR interpretation of Genesis..
It must rely solely on the tested evidence.. and in THAT regard, a young earth and all life "poofing" here fully formed in its present state 6000 years ago does NOT match up with the evidence at hand.

 

[Yeshua1]

The only place you'll hear someone say "evolution is losing ground" is on a creationist website.
There are NONE, as in ZERO, ZIP, NADA,, ZILCH, etc Science organizations, journals or PhD Universities that deal in life sciences that doubt the validity of evolution.

There is as much real science behind evolution as behind global warming caused by Mankind, nada zilch!

 

[Revmitchell]

You do realize that evolution is a scientific explanation of the natural world..?
As a rule, it is required to dismiss ALL "appeals to textual authority" (Christian or otherwise)
Genesis is a religious text that is "interpreted" by those who believe in it. (and those interpretations vary by denomination)
as such, The ToE is not going to base its findings on YOUR interpretation of Genesis..
It must rely solely on the tested evidence.. and in THAT regard, a young earth and all life "poofing" here fully formed in its present state 6000 years ago does NOT match up with the evidence at hand.

Do you believe in it

 

[KeyserSoze]

How did humans arrive here. unless we were special creations of God?

The evidence shows we evolved from ancestral primates that diverged about 6 million years ago.
Thats how.
Now, if you want to believe that God "guided" that process..?
Thats entirely up to you.. But whether he guided it or not, the evidence shows that the process itself still occurred..

 

[Revmitchell]

The evidence shows we evolved from ancestral primates that diverged about 6 million years ago.
Thats how.
Now, if you want to believe that God "guided" that process..?
Thats entirely up to you.. But whether he guided it or not, the evidence shows that the process itself still occurred..

Do you believe that God guided that process

 

[KeyserSoze]

There is as much real science behind evolution as behind global warming caused by Mankind, nada zilch!

I see that you haven't looked at the data for global warming either.. So sad..
You might try visiting NASA's website as well as NOAAs to get the latest data on climate change..
You'll find that just like with evolution, the data is overwhelming in its favor.

 

[BenWest]

How did humans arrive here. unless we were special creations of God?

Noah, a direct descendant of Adam, who was made with an intelligence like God's, Genesis 3:22 arrived here inside Adam's small, miles wide firmament/Biosphere/which God called Heaven. Genesis 1:8 Noah's grandsons married and produced children with the sons of God (prehistoric people) Genesis 6:4 who had been on Earth for millions of years before the Ark arrived some 11k years ago, in man's time. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE Historic evidence is that farming, city building, smelting, etc first began on planet Earth from this area.

 

[Yeshua1]

I see that you haven't looked at the data for global warming either.. So sad..
You might try visiting NASA's website as well as NOAAs to get the latest data on climate change..
You'll find that just like with evolution, the data is overwhelming in its favor.

There is science for the earth getting Both warmer and cooler overtime, but NOTHING to support Man affecting it!

 

[KeyserSoze]

Do you believe that God guided that process

I don't rule it out.. However, i'm skeptical .
It seems to me to be a very round-a-bout way to achieve a desired goal.
If humans were what he wanted in the first place, why create bacteria first and give them a 3 billion year run with basically no competition..? Why evolve dinosaurs and have them run around for 10s of millions of years just to then wipe them out so mammals could gain a foothold in the ecosystem..?
Seems to me that there would be more logical routes to take if humans were what he was after all along..?

 

[KeyserSoze]

There is science for the earth getting Both warmer and cooler overtime, but NOTHING to support Man affecting it!

According to what resources..?

 

[BenWest]

You do realize that evolution is a scientific explanation of the natural world..?

Sure and it's based on where the facts lead one to assume. The problem is that the ToE is incomplete since it had rejected God's Truth of the Flood.

As a rule, it is required to dismiss ALL "appeals to textual authority" (Christian or otherwise)

My appeal is to God's Truth, which agrees in every way with Science, History, Genetics, and Math. That's too high a standard for most. Does your Truth agree with every other Truth? If not, then it is you who has the wrong interpretation of Genesis.

Genesis is a religious text that is "interpreted" by those who believe in it. (and those interpretations vary by denomination)

IF Genesis was Authored by the Holy Spirit, then it MUST agree with every discovery of mankind, and it does. IF your interpretation doesn't, they you should seek God's Truth.

as such, The ToE is not going to base its findings on YOUR interpretation of Genesis..
It must rely solely on the tested evidence.. and in THAT regard, a young earth and all life "poofing" here fully formed in its present state 6000 years ago does NOT match up with the evidence at hand.

Amen. The present Earth was made 4.53 billion years ago, in man's time, or on the 5th Day/Age of creation, in God's time. It's easy to know what Day it is when you know God's time. Amen?