Originally posted by ascund:
When you sin willfully, you will be judged as the foolish believer in 1 Cor 3:11-15 who LOST EVERYTHING but was
YET STILL SAVED!
Yes, the worker was saved but his work was burned up. What was the building that was burned up? I Cor 3:9 For we are God's fellow workers.
You are God's field, God's building.
If you look at the context, you will see that people are the "building" and that just because one in converted doesn't mean they won't be lost (burned up). This passage teaches against OSAS.
Verse 18 also states, "Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise."
You, no doubt are wise in your own eyes, belittling others often, making statements such as "You need remedial instruction".
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mman:
God’s word makes it clear that eternal life is dependent upon our continued faithfulness (Col 1:20-23).
The “if” clause modifies the presentation of the believer as holy, unblameable, and unreproveable. It has nothing to do with salvation. It is terrible exegesis to slice up a passage and pick and choose only what you want.</font>[/QUOTE]Col 1:22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, 23if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
OK, if you don't continue in the faith you will not be presented "holy, blameless, and above reproach". That means you are unholy, to be blamed, and reproached.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mman:
Galatians 5:4, a child of God can fall from grace. You cannot fall from grace if you were never covered by grace.
This verse is a terminology pitfall. Your view wants you to think that falling from grace is a security issue. But Paul has just spent an entire letter contrasting justification by law versus justification by grace. His point is that anyone who now seeks to be justified by good works has fallen away from justification by God’s grace given freely to all through Jesus Christ.
The issue is not whether or not one is secure in Christ. The issue deals with the method of salvation, law or grace, which will you choose? All one has to do is look at the verse that follows this passage in order to stay clear of this terminology pitfall.
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. (5:5).</font>[/QUOTE]No, his point was that anyone who is covered by grace under the new law and seeks to be justified under the old law has fallen from grace. You cannot fall from a position that you were never in. This verse clearly teaches that one can fall from grace.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mman:
Christ is the author of eternal salvation unto all those who obey Him (Hebrews 5:9).
Big Wrong. This obedience is simple passive faith in Jesus; not active human obedience (John 6:28-29; 1 John 3:23; 5:4-5).</font>[/QUOTE]What, I list a verse and you say "Big Wrong". You did not like the conclusion that you got when you read it? You then attempt to say this verse doesn't really mean what it says, it really means something else, let me explain to you.
Heb 5:8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. 9 And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him.
Jesus learned obedience and is the source of eternal salvation to those who obey him.
You want it to say, Jesus learned simple passive faith and he is the source of eternal salvation to those who have simple passive faith?
I Challenge you to find one translation that remotely supports your false claim for this verse. YOU CANNOT. The word is
OBEY, no matter what you claim.
ENOUGH! You make the same mistake over and over. You confuse justification with sanctification at every turn. While scripture denounces human obedience (Rom 3:19) - you make it the central pillar of your system of death.
How can you so willfully cut out so much Bible? Have you never considered human depravity?
Lloyd
Of course that is enough. If I were you, I would not want to address John 15, Rom 11, I Cor 15, II Pet 2, or James 5(from an earlier post), or any conditional statement.