Those that believe in OSAS has yet to directly answer the questions directly. Why is that? Don't be a politician. That's why these threads go so long and pop up somewhere else. People don't answer question directly as in a direct conversation. If your answer is no, then let it be no, and provide a scripture of why. And then be prepared to be questioned on those scriptures. But you can't get anywhere without communication. Don't talk at each other (Christian or Not).Originally posted by Helen:
Once saved always saved? Absolutely! I am a sheep in His pasture -- if I even wander away He comes to get me. I belong to Him. He bought me and paid for me. I am not my own.
It's that simple.
Sheep are very stupid animals. That is, I am sure, one reason we are considered sheep. They cannot care for themselves physically and we cannot care for ourselves spiritually. Thus, as Philippians 1:6 indicates, all is in His hand and I am His responsibility. I can be a pain in the neck to Him sometimes or very compliant and obedient. Kids come in different flavors -- even His kids. But that never causes Him to disinherit us!
The verse about "depart from me..." has to do with false teachers who use the name of Jesus but are not His start to finish. A lot of televangelists would fit in this category, I think!
We know that God is not confused, correct??? So, I believe we serve a God that is able to communicate effectively with his creation. If this is true, then scripture cannot and should not be in conflict with itself (unless something is added or taken away -- Which God Forbid). Having said that, please just answer the question so that we can move on. Don't answer with feelings and lack biblical backing.
Prov 18:2 "A fool finds no pleasure in UNDERSTANDING but delights in airing his own opinions."
Let not any of us be found to be fools. We all (every one) brings knowledge and understanding to the table, but the bible is the great equalizer.
We can go back and forth as we have been doing and it has gotten us nowhere.
We must get rid of our pride, So that those looking for the truth can judge for themselves at this site and others site what the BIBLE teaches on Salvation.
Concerning this subject I don't believe scripture are in conflict, so if you find yourself re-explaining allot of scriptures to fit YOUR doctrine, then you might be making scripture say something they don't really say
Were These scriptures written to a church that Jesus knows?
What is a "Church" and who is part of it?
Did these people in this church have "Soiled" cloths? Did these clothes get dirty,meaning that they were clean at one point in time?
Who gave the "Clothes" or Cleaned them upon entering Christ body?
The people in this church that "soiled there clothes" will they walk with those who "who have not soiled their clothes" according to Jesus?
Finally what did Jesus mean when he said "I will never blot out his name from the book of life"?
"Blot out" does this mean that God somehow has power to reject people that once had their name in the "BOOK OF LIFE"?
Please answer the questions first in this order. Most of these question are simply yes/no question. I don't want to bounce around the bible right now, but stick with one passage at a time. Because if OSAS is true then its concept will agree with other biblical passages concerning this subject.